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« on: December 05, 2019, 07:58:02 pm »

From Get Reading

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Here's all you need to know about the new Elizabeth Line coming to Reading , Berkshire.

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When is the Elizabeth Line opening?

The Elizabeth Line is due to open "as soon as practically possible in 2021". More details will be released in 2020.

However TfL will take over running stopping services to Reading ahead of the Elizabeth Line opening on Sunday, December 15.

How many carriages do Elizabeth Line trains to Reading have?

The TfL Rail service between London Paddington and Reading beginning on the 15 December will be serviced by seven-car trains.

How many seats do Elizabeth Line trains to Reading have?

The TfL Rail seven-car units will have 354 seats, 817 standing spaces and a total capacity of 1,171.

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Does it have a buffet car?

There are no buffet cars and no plans to introduce buffet cars on the new trains.

Seems a shame when there's so much standing room that there's no bar to lean at.
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« Reply #1 on: December 05, 2019, 09:28:20 pm »

Toilets?
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« Reply #2 on: December 05, 2019, 09:30:24 pm »

No
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« Reply #3 on: December 05, 2019, 09:41:15 pm »

Toilets?

I do wonder how the interiors will cope with "liquid" damage on Friday & Saturday nights when people realise there are no toilets and don't want to get off at an intermediate station because it is either the last train of the night or there would be a long wait for the next one.
I am sure this will happen at some point.
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2019, 07:21:35 am »

Similar situation on Southern sets with no toilet, apparently quite fragrant the morning after.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2019, 08:08:08 am »

Similar situation on Southern sets with no toilet, apparently quite fragrant the morning after.

Writing from a train to Whifflet - seems appropriate for this thread, though smells like it has been cleaned overnight.

An amazing week of using service through Glasgow Central Low Level - a line that was closed for a couple of decades but now sees frequent busy trains calling in both directions.  Size of city not withstanding, makes you wonder what we should see in the future in places like Leeds and Bristol

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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2019, 11:51:49 am »

The last stopping trains from Padd to Reading are GWR 387s with toilets.

 I wonder why!
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« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2019, 05:32:09 pm »

Toilets?

I do wonder how the interiors will cope with "liquid" damage on Friday & Saturday nights when people realise there are no toilets and don't want to get off at an intermediate station because it is either the last train of the night or there would be a long wait for the next one.
I am sure this will happen at some point.
Would it not be possible to create a "convenience coach" (a bit like the old-fashioned "guards van") with toilets? Bung it somewhere in the middle of the 7 coaches. Captive tanks, of course.
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« Reply #8 on: December 07, 2019, 05:39:03 pm »

Toilets?

I do wonder how the interiors will cope with "liquid" damage on Friday & Saturday nights when people realise there are no toilets and don't want to get off at an intermediate station because it is either the last train of the night or there would be a long wait for the next one.
I am sure this will happen at some point.
Would it not be possible to create a "convenience coach" (a bit like the old-fashioned "guards van") with toilets? Bung it somewhere in the middle of the 7 coaches. Captive tanks, of course.
Or would it be better to bung the convenience coach of the back of the train, so it could be decoupled at one end or other of the route and swapped for a new (empty) unit? Could save time emptying the tanks. (Disclaimer: I don't know anything about the logistics of this...)
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2019, 11:20:35 am »

Or just use a proper train that is fitted with toilets !
All new or refurbished trains should be fitted with toilets, it should be a basic requirement.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2019, 09:45:08 pm »

Also from Get Reading, a reminder that drinking alcohol is forbidden on TfL services.
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Reading's new Elizabeth Line trains have rules too, quite a few in fact.

Most are obvious and can be classed under "basic common sense".

Some are less so.

For example, we all know it's illegal to drink on the train.

Remember all the hoo-ha when MP Dianne Abbott was caught quietly sipping a can of M & S Mojito on the tube?

If you look around TfL's London Underground network, there are signs everywhere warning of the perils of being caught drinking.

As TfL prepares to take over stopping services from Reading to London Paddington as part of the Crossrail project, we've had a look at the TfL byelaws which govern the dos and don'ts while on the train.

Reading Station and others in Berkshire and Buckinghamshire have become part of the legendary London Underground map which means passengers need to follow these rules.

Otherwise it's a fine, or a least a telling off.
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« Reply #11 on: December 11, 2019, 12:59:49 am »

One hopes that that the "no drinking of alcohol, or carrying open containers of alcohol" rule will be enforced with common sense and only on the TFL services.

I foresee some risk of "mission creep" and trying to ban drinking on GWR services or at GWR stations. Or trying to prohibit the carrying of sealed containers of drink as part of ones shopping.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #12 on: December 11, 2019, 06:03:17 pm »

One hopes that that the "no drinking of alcohol, or carrying open containers of alcohol" rule will be enforced with common sense and only on the TFL services.

I foresee some risk of "mission creep" and trying to ban drinking on GWR services or at GWR stations. Or trying to prohibit the carrying of sealed containers of drink as part of ones shopping.

Is that the real reason for the absence of a buffet car on the IETs?
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« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2019, 09:32:01 am »

I can't see TfL ever operating an IET!
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« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2019, 06:03:20 pm »

I can't see TfL ever operating an IET!

No but it would give consistency on Paddington Reading - the important part of the route.
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