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« on: January 16, 2020, 12:26:46 pm »

Nothing moving at Dawlish today.Failed IET (Intercity Express Train) swamped by waves and has to await rescue loco from Exeter for a tow.
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« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2020, 12:43:22 pm »

As well as the failed IET (Intercity Express Train) (10:52 Paignton to London Paddington) a passenger on the 10:57 Exmouth to Paignton has suffered a minor injury after a wave hit the train and smashed some windows at Dawlish.
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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2020, 01:10:39 pm »

The IET (Intercity Express Train) is now on its way to Exeter running 1 hour and 40 minutes late.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2020, 05:25:32 pm »


I travelled on the 1100 St D to Paignton cl150 + 143 today and found,an hour after High tide, the waves and sea spray crashing over the line and trains which as by no means exceptionally rough in my many years of traveling on this 'fragile' South Devon line.
Windows being damaged / broken does very occasionally happen  due sand and shingle being conveyed in the waves.
However I wonder if the activities of Network Rail's Contractors who have been excavating, disturbing, loosening and moving around lots of beach material is now a contributory factor.

Today's 1052 Paignton/Paddington failure is at least the fourth or fifth IET (Intercity Express Train) failure /major service disruption incident due the effects of waves and salt water ingress on these new IETs; despite assurances from Hitachi that these new multiple unit trains could cope with waves and sea water.
Surely it can't be long before NR» (Network Rail - home page) Operating Chiefs extend the ban, that applies to
XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) Voyagers, to IETs operating between Exeter and N. Abbot when strong and gale force Southerly and SE winds coincide with times of high tides.
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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2020, 06:06:33 pm »

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2020, 06:31:54 pm »

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) local west country spotlight news is showing the unit at Dawlish.

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2020, 07:04:51 pm »

Is this a new use for old Pacers- to provide an emergency shuttle service through Dawlish in stormy weather?
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2020, 09:02:46 pm »

A non fully compliant train over a short distance on a temporary basis is better than no train surely?

Edit: Stupid spolling mistake.
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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2020, 11:28:08 pm »


I travelled on the 1100 St D to Paignton cl150 + 143 today and found,an hour after High tide, the waves and sea spray crashing over the line and trains which as by no means exceptionally rough in my many years of traveling on this 'fragile' South Devon line.
Windows being damaged / broken does very occasionally happen  due sand and shingle being conveyed in the waves.
However I wonder if the activities of Network Rail's Contractors who have been excavating, disturbing, loosening and moving around lots of beach material is now a contributory factor.

Today's 1052 Paignton/Paddington failure is at least the fourth or fifth IET (Intercity Express Train) failure /major service disruption incident due the effects of waves and salt water ingress on these new IETs; despite assurances from Hitachi that these new multiple unit trains could cope with waves and sea water.
Surely it can't be long before NR» (Network Rail - home page) Operating Chiefs extend the ban, that applies to
XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) Voyagers, to IETs operating between Exeter and N. Abbot when strong and gale force Southerly and SE winds coincide with times of high tides.


Yes I thought that the new IETs were supposed to be Salt water proof and I'm surprised (but not that surprised really) at the amount of cancellations caused by salt water ingress to IETs. In fact there was a thread somewhere on this forum about how the IET's were being salt water proofed prior to their introduction.

On another note what happened to single line working between Teignmouth and Dawlish Warren during rough weather, does this still happen? Or do they just keep both lines open (or both lines shut)? Mind you I guess if you're on a Pacer, the ride next to a rough sea is only marginally bumpier to a normal ride on a Pacer!  Tongue

If any line has a big Neon sign over it saying 'Reopen me for God's sake!' the Plymouth - Tavistock - Okehampton - Exeter route surely must be a prime candidate. The populations of Tavistock and Okehampton make it a contender anyway before you even look at the route's diversionary possibilities.
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« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2020, 06:12:30 am »

Re-opening would be expensive.
Cheaper would be another round of studies and consultations, the result of which will be that further studies are needed.

And a joint study "with our industry partners" as to why the new trains don't work in the adverse but entirely expected conditions at Dawlish. The result of that study will be something along the lines that things will get better, in some not clearly defined way, and without any clear timescale.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2020, 07:50:18 am »

An update from Devon Live, posted yesterday afternoon:

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Why a 'Dawlish avoiding' train line in the South West won't happen

The injury to a passenger after a wave smashed the windows of a train travelling past Dawlish has once again re-opened the debate about whether there needs to be a rail line that avoids the sea.

When built back in the 1840s, the difficult terrain inland between Exeter and Newton Abbot led Isambard Kingdom Brunel to adopt a coastal route for the South Devon Railway ...

Actually a very long article showing all the various options and all the official responses - good to see it all together in one place (pity about the advert infestation, but then that's what pays for the page, I guess!)

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« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2020, 11:16:43 am »

If HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) cancelled surely Okehampton Tavistock would be cheaper per mile, quicker to build and far more use.
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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2020, 11:28:04 am »

If HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) cancelled surely Okehampton Tavistock would be cheaper per mile, quicker to build and far more use.

Yes but has anyone asked the newts yet ? Besides how many bankers can get to London quicker ?
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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2020, 01:37:58 pm »

If HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) cancelled surely Okehampton Tavistock would be cheaper per mile, quicker to build and far more use.

HS2 wont be cancelled.
Postponed, de-specified, done in small and slow sections, reviewed, re-evaluated, almost certainly, but actually cancelled, I doubt it.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2020, 02:13:55 pm »

If HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) cancelled surely Okehampton Tavistock would be cheaper per mile, quicker to build and far more use.

Unfortunately the BCR (Benefit Cost Ratio) for Oakhampton to Tavistock is not looking good either.
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