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Author Topic: Dawlish - permanent resilience work - ongoing discussions  (Read 6925 times)
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« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2020, 06:28:55 pm »

please delete, cat trod on laptop.

Such a shame to loose that memory ..
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« Reply #16 on: January 17, 2020, 08:17:02 pm »

please delete, cat trod on laptop.

Such a shame to loose that memory ..

Will you be able to carry on after a short paws
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« Reply #17 on: January 17, 2020, 08:56:42 pm »

If HS2 cancelled surely Okehampton Tavistock would be cheaper per mile, quicker to build and far more use.

A much smaller scheme, on a completely different corridor,  carrying vastly fewer passengers,  delivering vastly less additional capacity... in what way could it be "far more use"? They aren't alternatives to each other; the case for each stands or falls on their own merits.
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« Reply #18 on: January 17, 2020, 09:20:41 pm »

please delete, cat trod on laptop.

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Will you be able to carry on after a short paws

Was not even my cat ! neighbours must be out for the day and their cat visited, as she does when no children are available to entertain her at home.
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« Reply #19 on: January 17, 2020, 09:24:14 pm »

Getting back on topic after the above cat-astrophe......

An update from Devon Live, posted yesterday afternoon:

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Why a 'Dawlish avoiding' train line in the South West won't happen

The injury to a passenger after a wave smashed the windows of a train travelling past Dawlish has once again re-opened the debate about whether there needs to be a rail line that avoids the sea.

When built back in the 1840s, the difficult terrain inland between Exeter and Newton Abbot led Isambard Kingdom Brunel to adopt a coastal route for the South Devon Railway ...

Actually a very long article showing all the various options and all the official responses - good to see it all together in one place (pity about the advert infestation, but then that's what pays for the page, I guess!)


To put it rather more succinctly.................... It won't happen because Dawlish is not in the North of England [the land of the New Tory']
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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2020, 09:46:42 pm »

please delete, cat trod on laptop.

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Will you be able to carry on after a short paws

Was not even my cat ! neighbours must be out for the day and their cat visited, as she does when no children are available to entertain her at home.

Perhaps the cat was trying to articulate her views on the new IET, and/or on train catering? 😉
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« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2020, 03:31:20 pm »

Revised plan issued by NR today (20/01/2020):
https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/network-rail-unveils-updated-plan-to-protect-vital-south-west-rail-line-bordered-by-steep-cliffs-and-the-sea

...and this from the BBC:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-devon-51173064/fly-through-reveals-new-dawlish-rail-plans

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Network Rail unveils updated plan to protect vital south west rail line bordered by steep cliffs and the sea
Region & Route: Western

Updated proposals published for changes to the rail line in south Devon which needs to be better protected from cliff falls, land slips and damage caused by extreme weather
Public consultation now open until 1 March for local communities across the south west to help shape the final design of the scheme

Six-week consultation includes details of the plans to realign the railway to make room for corrective measures to stabilise the cliffs

The updated plans mean most of the beach is retained with improved leisure access and amenities including new, fully accessible coastal walking routes

Updated proposals have today (20 January) been published for a series of potential changes to a section of railway line in south Devon that is bordered by steep cliffs on one side and the sea on the other.

Views are being sought from residents, communities, businesses and rail users across the south west as part of a second round of public consultation which runs for six weeks until 1 March as Network Rail looks to protect a 1.8km stretch of railway between Parsons Tunnel, near Holcombe, and Teignmouth.

The vital rail artery is the only line which connects Cornwall and Devon with the rest of the country and the plans would see the railway realigned away from hazardous cliffs.

The updated design means that most of the beach is retained as it only moves the railway away from the most potentially hazardous areas of the cliffs and keeps the existing railway alignment at both Parsons Tunnel and at Teignmouth end of this stretch of railway.

A realigned coastal footpath, which is 1m wider and safer than the current South West Coast Path, as it will have edge protection, will also be built with the new coastal path not extending any further out than the current extent of Sprey Point.

Further, a landward footpath will also be created with the new enhanced coastal path with more than 1km of new path with full coastal views will be added to the landward side of the railway between Holcombe and Sprey Point, where users can cross over the railway on a new, accessible footbridge.

The vulnerable section of railway was closed for six weeks following a landslide in 2014 and it needs to be better protected from cliff falls, landslips and damage caused during extreme weather.

Residents are invited to provide feedback on the proposals to help finalise the designs. The detailed proposals are available online at www.networkrail.co.uk/SouthWestRRP

Starting today in Dawlish Warren, 11 consultation events in and around the local area will enable people to find out more, ask questions and express their views. It is possible to respond to the consultation online, by email or in writing via a freepost feedback form.

Mike Gallop, route director for Network Rail’s Western route, said: “We have listened to feedback from the first round of consultation and our updated plans will ensure a resilient railway line for the whole south west while maintaining most of the beach and adding improved walking and leisure facilities.

"The railway is a vital artery to the South West, which communities, businesses and visitors to the region depend on for connecting with the rest of the UK. We welcome views on our updated proposals before we apply for consent to undertake the work.”

For the proposal to go ahead Network Rail need to make an application for a Transport and Works Act Order (TWAO) to the Secretary of State for Transport in order to secure the necessary permissions and rights to carry out the works.

The TWAO is likely to be submitted later this year once feedback is received from this round of public consultation.
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« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2020, 03:42:56 pm »

That's not about Dawlish you known - try here.
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« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2020, 06:23:31 pm »

That's not about Dawlish you known - try here.

OK, I give in.  Mines a bit further along the coast........ Roll Eyes Tongue

Whatever, its pretty dramatic work.
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« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2020, 05:01:27 pm »

Class 143s have now joined Voyager "do not go there" status.

From now on, any class 143 traversing the sea wall during Network Rail's Dawlish Amber or worse statuses must be locked out of public use between Exeter St Davids and Newton Abbot.
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« Reply #25 on: January 28, 2020, 05:22:50 pm »

Couldn't they save some money by running them, getting them filled full of rocks pebbles & sand and then scuttling them (to pinch a nautical expression). cover them in chicken wire and concrete...and hey presto ...new sea wall and footpath !
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« Reply #26 on: January 28, 2020, 08:00:19 pm »

...or if you are brave, a floatation ring and an outboard motor so they can double up for the Starcross Exmouth leg of the proposed new Exe Estuary circular sevice mooted elsewhere today and cope with a bit of wet at Dawlish
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« Reply #27 on: February 22, 2020, 04:56:02 pm »

Video of the progress with the sea wall strengthning at Dawlish station here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sMjXJ-zj7DA
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« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2020, 05:11:09 pm »

Out today.
The plans for the latest section of the new sea wall, which runs for 415m between Coastguards and Colonnade breakwaters, includes a new taller sea wall incorporating a high-level wider and safer public promenade, pedestrian access to the beach and footbridge to link the two parts of the sea wall and an accessible station footbridge with lifts.
The reconstruction of the timber seaward platform at Dawlish station will also improve accessibility, making it easier for passengers to get on and off trains at the Grade II listed station, which is used by more than half a million people each year.Dawlish station and the seawall.2 by Robert, on Flickr

Dawlish station and the seawall by Robert, on Flickr
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« Reply #29 on: May 22, 2020, 05:54:07 pm »

The actual NR press release can be seen here: https://www.networkrail.co.uk/running-the-railway/our-routes/western/south-west-rail-resilience-programme/dawlish-sea-wall-section-two
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