Freightliner off the rails at Eastleigh.

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[MVR S&T]

Due to a derailment of a freight train between Southampton Central and Basingstoke all lines are blocked.
What's Going On:
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled, delayed or diverted via Havant. All stations between Winchester and Southampton Central will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day on 29/01/20.
What We're Doing About It:
Latest Update (Last updated at 23:00): Journeys will be affected tomorrow, please check before you travel. All lines are blocked between Southampton Central and Winchester whilst response teams work to remove the derailed train at Eastleigh station. Trains will continue to be altered and diverted for the rest of the day.
As engineers work to remove a derailed freight train at Eastleigh station, all lines are blocked between Winchester and Southampton Central. All lines will be blocked for the rest of the day and tomorrow.

Looks bad for the track, RAIB^▸ (Rail Accident Investigation Branch) are on site too.

[bradshaw]

Line not expected to be open before the end of Sunday. From their website

Due to the derailment of a freight train between Southampton Central and Winchester all lines are blocked. Train services running through these stations will be cancelled, delayed or diverted via Havant. All stations between Winchester and Southampton Central will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day 02/02/2020.   

[grahame]

Line not expected to be open before the end of Sunday. From their website

Due to the derailment of a freight train between Southampton Central and Winchester all lines are blocked. Train services running through these stations will be cancelled, delayed or diverted via Havant. All stations between Winchester and Southampton Central will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day 02/02/2020.   

and their longer description - https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/eastleigh-derailment-update

Eastleigh derailment update

The railway through Eastleigh remains closed and we apologise to passengers for the ongoing disruption.

We now expect the majority of services to run from the morning of Monday 3 February, but continue to do everything possible to open the railway sooner.

We are dealing with a complex situation involving the derailment of six wagons that has taken much longer than was initially expected.

Following the derailment there is extensive damage to the track and our engineers are working around the clock to get the railway back open as quickly and as safely as possible.

To do this we are installing temporary track and will make alterations to the signalling and power supply as the full repair will take more time. Passengers should continue to check before travelling.

[MVR S&T]

The temporary track, looks like plain line over the switch and crossing (points) involved, so could be some changes to the stopping, or not at Eastleigh for down trains.

[bradshaw]

Network Rail have just posted this blog about the incident.

https://www.networkrail.co.uk/stories/eastleigh-derailment-and-other-incidents/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

[jdw.wor]

Whilst a very laudable piece it is a pity that he did not explain that SWR^» (South Western Railway - about) had nothing to do with the problem and were, in fact, sufferers themselves. I say this as I was at Waterloo today and listened to a lot of ill informed criticism of SWR management from many.

[grahame]

Whilst a very laudable piece it is a pity that he did not explain that SWR^» (South Western Railway - about) had nothing to do with the problem and were, in fact, sufferers themselves. I say this as I was at Waterloo today and listened to a lot of ill informed criticism of SWR management from many.

Sadly, taking the flack for the whole rail industry is part of the deal that companies sign up for when they bid for a franchise.

[MVR S&T]

If I go in a pub and there is no beer on, I blame the manager, staff on at the time, the fact it was due to the delivery lorry crashing a few days ago, is the reason, but its how the manager/staff deal with me, did they go and source some more beer from another place, do they put it on the signs outside/social medie etc. Do they offer a discounted alternative to keep me happy..

[JontyMort]

If I go in a pub and there is no beer on, I blame the manager, staff on at the time, the fact it was due to the delivery lorry crashing a few days ago, is the reason, but its how the manager/staff deal with me, did they go and source some more beer from another place, do they put it on the signs outside/social medie etc. Do they offer a discounted alternative to keep me happy..

To be fair, the “beer from another place” is diversion via Havant and the Portsmouth Direct. Other things being equal, one might expect the Laverstock Curve to be shorter, but that wouldn’t work with electric stock. My knowledge of the area is sketchy. Is Soton to Havant via Fareham electrified?

[Timmer]

Is Soton to Havant via Fareham electrified?

It is yes.

[GBM]

Whilst the heading of Notwork Fail press release mentioned 'other incidents', there is no mention of those specifically.
Constant signalling failures plus power problems (I believe?).

[paul7575]

If I go in a pub and there is no beer on, I blame the manager, staff on at the time, the fact it was due to the delivery lorry crashing a few days ago, is the reason, but its how the manager/staff deal with me, did they go and source some more beer from another place, do they put it on the signs outside/social medie etc. Do they offer a discounted alternative to keep me happy..

To be fair, the “beer from another place” is diversion via Havant and the Portsmouth Direct. Other things being equal, one might expect the Laverstock Curve to be shorter, but that wouldn’t work with electric stock. My knowledge of the area is sketchy. Is Soton to Havant via Fareham electrified?

The Laverstock route will take an hourly XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) Bournemouth and significant numbers of freights though, which both need to reach Basingstoke, so effectively shares the load somewhat.  Even if via Romsey and Andover was electrified I expect SWR^» (South Western Railway - about) would still end up with trains going via Havant.

What does make me wonder is why the 2 hourly XC Southampton extensions from Reading couldn’t run as far as Winchester...

Paul

[JontyMort]

The Laverstock route will take an hourly XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) Bournemouth and significant numbers of freights though, which both need to reach Basingstoke, so effectively shares the load somewhat.  Even if via Romsey and Andover was electrified I expect SWR^» (South Western Railway - about) would still end up with trains going via Havant.

Yes, I had forgotten about XC, and at least they can go via Laverstock.

I remember them putting in that line. It’s always seemed odd that the “curve” is the straightest side of the triangle.

[paul7575]

The Laverstock route will take an hourly XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) Bournemouth and significant numbers of freights though, which both need to reach Basingstoke, so effectively shares the load somewhat.  Even if via Romsey and Andover was electrified I expect SWR^» (South Western Railway - about) would still end up with trains going via Havant.

Yes, I had forgotten about XC, and at least they can go via Laverstock.

I remember them putting in that line. It’s always seemed odd that the “curve” is the straightest side of the triangle.

As a minor side note I was somewhat surprised to see that, (at least according to the signalling maps on the opentraintimes site), there are no signals on the Laverstock “curve”.   Perhaps it wasn’t considered long enough to be able to safely hold long trains, so there was no point in signalling it to do so? 

But then perhaps it’s part of the reasoning that apparently allows drivers to maintain currency over the route without taking a train over it?

Paul

[Timmer]

Interesting that buses are still replacing trains between Salisbury and Southampton despite XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) trains being diverted on this route.

My guess because it was too late to cancel replacement buses and change staff rosters to run trains between Salisbury and Southampton.