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Author Topic: Landslip between Salisbury and Romsey  (Read 3118 times)
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« on: February 18, 2020, 05:08:16 pm »

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Cancellations to services between Salisbury and Romsey
Due to a landslip between Salisbury and Romsey all lines towards Romsey are blocked.
Train services running through these stations may be cancelled or revised. Dean and Mottisfont & Dunbridge will not be served. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
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Replacement Road Transport is in operation.
CrossCountry and South Western Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice.
Great Western Railway are conveying passengers via any reasonable route until further notice. Arrangements have been made for Great Western Railway rail tickets to be accepted for these journeys.

Tweet from BBC South Todayís Paul Clifton:
https://twitter.com/paulcliftonbbc/status/1229806827589820416?s=21
Includes a couple of pictures.
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« Reply #1 on: February 18, 2020, 05:21:37 pm »

Latest on this from Network Rail Wessex Twitter Feed including more pics:
https://twitter.com/networkrailwssx/status/1229803513389211655?s=21

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It's been confirmed that there is significant damage to the embankment, with substantial repair work needed to re-open one of the two lines. We are now working on a plan to use the other line.
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« Reply #2 on: February 18, 2020, 07:59:47 pm »

The location is just the Romsey side of Milford curve, where the line runs out on an embankment at the start of the climb up to Alderbury. There was a defect reported a month or two ago where the Up Dean line was reported to be slightly out of alignment. Earthwork engineers attended and reported issues with the embankment. A 20 mph ESR was put in place on the up line. A full inspection has been impossible as the field at the foot of the up side of the embankment has been flooded since before the initial defect was reported. Following another driver reporting further voiding today, it has been found that the embankment has deteriorated further, resulting in the line being closed completely. This will likely take a long time to repair owing to the flooding at the foot of the embankment.

I have heard that the Down Dean line will be assessed for opening to traffic as a matter of priority for multiple units only with locomotive movements prohibited. This will allow Single Line Working to be implemented between Laverstock South Junction crossover and the East Grimstead ground frame and crossover.
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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2020, 10:06:44 pm »

March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
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« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2020, 10:12:17 pm »

March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
Seems to be no logical reason why the SWR service canít operate Romsey to Romsey?  If they donít itíll seem as if theyíre giving up just a bit too easily...

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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2020, 10:37:19 pm »

March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
Seems to be no logical reason why the SWR service canít operate Romsey to Romsey?  If they donít itíll seem as if theyíre giving up just a bit too easily...

Paul

Could be that the unit will be the wrong side being based at Salisburry
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« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2020, 11:27:54 pm »

March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
Seems to be no logical reason why the SWR service canít operate Romsey to Romsey?  If they donít itíll seem as if theyíre giving up just a bit too easily...

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Could be that the unit will be the wrong side being based at Salisburry
Not exactly marooned, itís only a few months ago they were stabled at Fratton overnight, and they do maintain DMU driver route knowledge Basingstoke to Salisbury via Southampton.

I still think they close down too easily.
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« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2020, 08:04:38 am »

March 31st is the estimate for complete re-opening according to NRE although one line can be opened for Single Line Working allowing one Cardiff to Portsmouth and vice versa per hour to run.    The Romsey circle will be bustituted.
Seems to be no logical reason why the SWR service canít operate Romsey to Romsey?  If they donít itíll seem as if theyíre giving up just a bit too easily...

Paul

Could be that the unit will be the wrong side being based at Salisburry
Not exactly marooned, itís only a few months ago they were stabled at Fratton overnight, and they do maintain DMU driver route knowledge Basingstoke to Salisbury via Southampton.

I still think they close down too easily.

Real Time Trains (for Chandler's Ford) is far from clear - see attachment.  I rather suspect that industry systems have not yet been fully updated.

The "Romsey 6" usually (if it has a usual, what with strikes and embankment slippages - always first to go) starts very earl and finishes very late. An early 4 car service (2 x 158) from Salisbury before the first GWR trains could, perhaps, provide 2 units for a Romsey to Redbridge shuttle in normal timings extended to Totton for a layover in the yard there?   Suggesting an extension to Marchwood (tongue in cheek) would I'm sure not happen because people would start to use it and it would be a major headache as to how they could continue to be served once the trains could go back to Salisbury.  We will, I'm sure, be told that Marchwood couldn't be done because of health and safety, absence from the fares system, lack of route knowledge, not in the budget, no consulation, etc.
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2020, 10:28:56 am »

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GWR Portsmouth-Cardiff Trains calling all stations Southampton Central-Salisbury.  Thanks go out to GWR.

Hopefully SWR will run Romsey-Romsey circular via Eastleigh so that Chandlers Ford Swaythling and St Denys get served too.
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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2020, 10:46:27 am »

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GWR Portsmouth-Cardiff Trains calling all stations Southampton Central-Salisbury.  Thanks go out to GWR.

Hopefully SWR will run Romsey-Romsey circular via Eastleigh so that Chandlers Ford Swaythling and St Denys get served too.

May be a bit difficult.  Remember that Eastleigh station is still partially OOU due to the freight derailment there.
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« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2020, 11:31:22 am »

There should be no need to introduce random trips to Totton, or anywhere else, just because itís there. 

A few weeks back, before the Eastleigh problems, SWR had a weekend of planned Romsey to Romsey circulars, with GWR running hourly Romsey Portsmouth at the same time.  Maybe though, itís been realised Millbrook and Redbridge  arenít actually going to overwhelm the Cardiff trains...

Just seems a very negative way of doing things...

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« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2020, 04:33:34 pm »


https://www.salisburyjournal.co.uk/news/18246205.commuters-face-two-months-travel-disruption-landslide-hits-romsey-salisbury-railway/?ref=rss
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« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2020, 09:49:51 pm »

There should be no need to introduce random trips to Totton, or anywhere else, just because itís there. 

I wasn't sure about turning at Romsey from the Redbridge direction - both in terms of track layout, and whether it would get in the way of something else during its layover.  That's why I went for a known resource to suggest to put the train in to turn it.  Marchwood add-on was deliberately a naughty suggestion.
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« Reply #13 on: February 19, 2020, 10:04:56 pm »

There should be no need to introduce random trips to Totton, or anywhere else, just because itís there. 

I wasn't sure about turning at Romsey from the Redbridge direction - both in terms of track layout, and whether it would get in the way of something else during its layover.  That's why I went for a known resource to suggest to put the train in to turn it.  Marchwood add-on was deliberately a naughty suggestion.
Although the route through Chandlers Ford is mostly single, the junctions at either end are conventional double track, so a train from Chandlers Ford arrives at Romsey into the same platform as one from Redbridge, ie Salisbury bound side.

Before the line reopened, Iíd assumed that trains from Chandlers Ford would run wrong road into the southbound platform at Romsey, as this would cause less crossing conflicts, but I guess it isnít a (passenger) signalled move off the branch.

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« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2020, 05:21:52 am »

Not even single line working today, it would seem.  Perhaps the problem is worse that thought?

Cardiff - Portsmouth running Cardiff - Salisbury and Romsey - Portsmouth, with buses (GWR and SWR joint) between. 

GWR extras cut back (to Westbury for the most part?),  tickets valid for travel "any reasonable route" on SWR and Reading - Southampton Central on Cross Country.  Presumably any reasonable GWR train too.

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Due to an earlier landslip between Salisbury and Romsey all lines are closed.
Train services running through these stations will be cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
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