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« Reply #75 on: June 02, 2020, 11:18:48 am »

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Except ... I can think of circumstances where the results appear all too quickly.

I was referring mainly to Health Improvement. Outbreak Control should be done yesterday, and quite often involves the appearance of the magic money tree!

And for the possibly gory details of the current PH situation see CH4 on Wed https://www.channel4.com/tv-guide/2020/06/03/C4/30302363. Hopefully the innocent won't be caught in the cross-fire

There's a long, and very depressing, article that was in yesterday's Guardian on the (now English) national public health "system" and how it got like it is now. It says that, before being stood down in March, the contact-tracing staff in PHE plus those allocated from local authorities (and the NHS?), totalled only 210. It's not clear whether the escalation to take that to about ten times the number was ever started, or even if I'm right to infer there was such a plan.

Long and very depressing article in the Guardian? Surely not!  Cheesy
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« Reply #76 on: June 02, 2020, 11:19:16 am »

Mick Cash seems to spend his life in a permanent state of froth mouthed fury and righteous indignation.

He has a Cummings-esque ability to misjudge the public mood.



In this case, I can see some sense in the arguments against. In this case only.
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« Reply #77 on: June 02, 2020, 06:56:50 pm »

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There's a long, and very depressing, article that was in yesterday's Guardian on the (now English) national public health "system" and how it got like it is now.

A journalist who had done their homework. Probably enough from me.
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« Reply #78 on: June 02, 2020, 08:20:21 pm »

Mick Cash seems to spend his life in a permanent state of froth mouthed fury and righteous indignation.

He has a Cummings-esque ability to misjudge the public mood.



In this case, I can see some sense in the arguments against. In this case only.
I have exactly the same thoughts about Nicola Sturgeon. She's been talking a great deal of sense over the last few weeks in my opinion.
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« Reply #79 on: June 03, 2020, 01:49:42 pm »

In this case, I can see some sense in the arguments against. In this case only.
I have exactly the same thoughts about Nicola Sturgeon. She's been talking a great deal of sense over the last few weeks in my opinion.

I wouldn't go quite that far, personally.
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« Reply #80 on: June 03, 2020, 04:47:47 pm »

In this case, I can see some sense in the arguments against. In this case only.
I have exactly the same thoughts about Nicola Sturgeon. She's been talking a great deal of sense over the last few weeks in my opinion.

I wouldn't go quite that far, personally.

She's been very effective in taking her opportunities and giving the "London doesn't tell me what to do" line, subtly or otherwise.

She's also managed to cover up a lot of the complete balls-ups her "Government" have made, particularly over care homes throughout the crisis
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« Reply #81 on: June 03, 2020, 09:09:43 pm »

She's also managed to cover up a lot of the complete balls-ups her "Government" have made, particularly over care homes throughout the crisis

Yes well when the UK government is making so much worse of a balls-up it is easier for her mistakes to go unnoticed 
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« Reply #82 on: June 03, 2020, 10:08:38 pm »

She's also managed to cover up a lot of the complete balls-ups her "Government" have made, particularly over care homes throughout the crisis

Yes well when the UK government is making so much worse of a balls-up it is easier for her mistakes to go unnoticed 

Not quite in this context I'm afraid. As of 10th May 45% of COVID-19 fatalities in Scotland have been in care homes, compared to 25% in Wales & 21% in England.

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« Reply #83 on: June 03, 2020, 11:06:41 pm »

She's also managed to cover up a lot of the complete balls-ups her "Government" have made, particularly over care homes throughout the crisis

Yes well when the UK government is making so much worse of a balls-up it is easier for her mistakes to go unnoticed 

Not quite in this context I'm afraid. As of 10th May 45% of COVID-19 fatalities in Scotland have been in care homes, compared to 25% in Wales & 21% in England.



In the specific charge - as you say - no, but in his general covid response Boris has shown world beating skills at making a balls-up. 
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« Reply #84 on: June 04, 2020, 08:11:28 am »

The Dorset Echo is saying that half of all Cv19 deaths in the county are in care homes!

https://www.dorsetecho.co.uk/news/18493883.half-coronavirus-deaths-across-dorset-care-homes/
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« Reply #85 on: June 04, 2020, 08:41:06 am »

Is data out there about percentage of population rather than percentage of deaths that are in care homes - 50%+ in Dorset v 21% across England sounds dramatic - but then is that explained by a very much less dense population in Dorset (Durdle Door excepted) giving it an overall very much lower infection spread base?
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« Reply #86 on: June 04, 2020, 11:49:37 am »

Dorset County population 376,480
Bournemouth, Poole and Christchurch population 395780

BBC Dorset website this morning. The latest number of cases of Covid-19 has been confirmed as 848 in Dorset. There is no change in the figure since Tuesday. These are test results not overall case, which will be higher.

The breakdown of figures by local authority area is:
Dorset - 365
Bournemouth, Christchurch and Poole - 483

A total of 151 patients have died in Dorset hospitals: 48 patients have died at Poole after testing positive for Covid-19. Meanwhile there have been a total of 65 deaths at The Royal Bournemouth and Christchurch Hospitals, 24 deaths at Dorset County Hospital in Dorchester, and 14 at hospitals run by Dorset Healthcare University NHS Foundation Trust, includes the community hospitals. (From Dorset Echo June 3.)
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« Reply #87 on: June 04, 2020, 11:52:06 am »

She's also managed to cover up a lot of the complete balls-ups her "Government" have made, particularly over care homes throughout the crisis

Yes well when the UK government is making so much worse of a balls-up it is easier for her mistakes to go unnoticed 

Not quite in this context I'm afraid. As of 10th May 45% of COVID-19 fatalities in Scotland have been in care homes, compared to 25% in Wales & 21% in England.


You need to be very careful with how deaths are attributed. The ONS reports do show those figures, but as a long feature on Newsnight last night showed, many deaths of care home residents took place in hospitals, which is where the death will then be registered for statistical purposes. The care home owners still felt that they were "their" deaths.

Also, the virus took hold in the community a couple of weeks earlier than in care homes.  Once it got going there, in the peak weeks, 40% of COVID-deaths were being registered in care homes.  Presumably at that point, decisions were being made not to move people to hospital in view of the poor chance of recovery and extreme pressure on hospital services.

Lots of stats, and arguing about blame, but we need to remember that behind every number added to these totals, wherever recorded, a family is grieving the loss of a loved one. And I think there's a general recognition that the UK's management of the pandemic, for whatever reasons, appears rather worse than in most other places.  
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« Reply #88 on: June 04, 2020, 05:22:28 pm »

Face coverings mandatory on public transport from June 15th....just announced at Press Conference. Refused travel/fines for non compliance.
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« Reply #89 on: June 04, 2020, 05:24:20 pm »

Face coverings mandatory on public transport from June 15th....just announced at Press Conference. Refused travel/fines for non compliance.
New announcements coming shortly  "See it, say it, gag it".
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