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« Reply #60 on: July 17, 2020, 02:23:52 pm »

Or (all too often) almost any local authority area and its neighbours, especially when the local authority in question is a large town or city.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, ends today's special topic: "Why didn't Bristol get trams back?"
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« Reply #61 on: July 17, 2020, 09:00:03 pm »

At least these other non-metropolitan metros contain the name of the place they serve. MetroBus could be anywhere in the world; indeed if you google it you'll find systems with this name in Australia and the USA as well as others in the U.K.

I saw this one in Buenos Aires.



The busway is a dual carriageway in the middle of a road that adds another 8 lanes.  We walked alongside for quite a while, without seeing more than one or two buses. I had assumed that 9 July was an important day in the Argentine calendar, but maybe that's when the bus runs, and I was there in a February. Apparently, there are plans for a real metro. Also, it seemed to follow the route of the railway into General Belgrano station.

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« Reply #62 on: July 18, 2020, 01:04:52 am »

Hadn't occurred to me until now that it's a bit eccentric to name a ship after a general. I mean, you wouldn't have a Nelson Tank or a bomber called a Guderian...
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« Reply #63 on: July 18, 2020, 08:02:48 am »


Racking the memory, I think there were WW1 battleships named "Iron Duke" and "Marlborough". There were WW2 aircraft classes named "Wellesley" and "Wellington" and "Anson", also "Hampden".

Doubt if it scared the Germans, although the "Whitley" might have if they'd been to that area of Reading.

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« Reply #64 on: July 18, 2020, 08:33:00 am »


Racking the memory, I think there were WW1 battleships named "Iron Duke" and "Marlborough". There were WW2 aircraft classes named "Wellesley" and "Wellington" and "Anson", also "Hampden".

Doubt if it scared the Germans, although the "Whitley" might have if they'd been to that area of Reading.

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I had to re-read that "Whitley" quote - I thought for a moment that you were referring to Da North Melksham Massive...
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« Reply #65 on: July 18, 2020, 02:53:11 pm »

"Mid Cornwall Metro" is about linking Newquay, St Austell, Truro and Falmouth.  Cornwall Council also want to look at what's next for the Falmouth line.  It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.

The Newquay proposals are about the capacity improvements needed to increase frequency on the existing line with an hourly service being the ultimate objective - reinstating a second platform at Newquay in the mix. 
Thanks Richard. I scoured, Google, too, but could find no information. An integrated 'coast-to-coast' service linking the towns mentioned - and not to forget Penryn - would make a lot of sense, especially in summer.
Do you have any idea of the lines of thought concerning 'what's next' for the Falmouth line?

 
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« Reply #66 on: July 18, 2020, 07:40:52 pm »


It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.


This must represent the most extreme case of lack of enterprise and ambition, when compared with the other 59 bids.

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« Reply #67 on: July 18, 2020, 08:00:36 pm »

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Accepting thus that the name 'Greater Bristol Metro' is an impossibility, ...
They could have called it "WecaBus" but that sounds a bit too much like "wicker man".
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« Reply #68 on: July 18, 2020, 08:02:18 pm »

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They could have called it "WecaBus" but that sounds a bit too much like "wicker man".

Sounds more like "WeakerBus" to me.
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« Reply #69 on: July 18, 2020, 08:14:59 pm »

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They could have called it "WecaBus" but that sounds a bit too much like "wicker man".

Sounds more like "WeakerBus" to me.

That sounds about right then!
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« Reply #70 on: July 18, 2020, 09:06:51 pm »

Hadn't occurred to me until now that it's a bit eccentric to name a ship after a general. I mean, you wouldn't have a Nelson Tank or a bomber called a Guderian...

My personal favourite is on the other side of the Andes, where the current maritime bearer of the name of founding father Bernardo O'Higgins is a submarine.
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« Reply #71 on: July 19, 2020, 09:04:53 am »


It doesn't include Burngullow - it's just too expensive for now.


This must represent the most extreme case of lack of enterprise and ambition, when compared with the other 59 bids.

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It could also be a very clever, sensible move - bidding within a core case rather than adding elements that would be nice but perhaps with "good" rather than "excellent" cases.  Keep it as a smaller, realistic and sharper project and avoid mission creep, avoid having elements on the periphery that can derail the whole project, and avoid justifications which make the whole thing look overoptimistic.  Just make sure that the plan does not rule out a station at Burngullow (or whatever it is) in the future.

I'm looking at sad examples of mission creep ... "it could have been built by now if we had gone with the original plans" and adding in elements ... "how has the price gone from £5 million to £18 million" and if the funders on this project are re-assured there's less chance of such things cropping up, there's more chance they will choose it.   This outside runner just could be a surprise that crosses the finishing line in one of the promotion places.

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« Reply #72 on: July 19, 2020, 10:41:36 am »


I hope that you are right.

I understand that "Burngullow" refers to a long standing (this is the West Country) proposal to relay c3km of line from St Dennis to the former St Dennis Jn to allow a direct Newquay  - St Austell service, rather than just the main line connection at Par. Student access to Cornwall College is an issue. A hobbyhorse of mine is that local schemes benefit more people than prestige projects which produce headlines and sound-bites.

There look to be less worthy schemes with higher priority.

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« Reply #73 on: July 19, 2020, 11:22:26 am »


There look to be less worthy schemes with higher priority.


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« Reply #74 on: July 19, 2020, 11:49:41 am »


I hope that you are right.

I understand that "Burngullow" refers to a long standing (this is the West Country) proposal to relay c3km of line from St Dennis to the former St Dennis Jn to allow a direct Newquay  - St Austell service, rather than just the main line connection at Par. Student access to Cornwall College is an issue. A hobbyhorse of mine is that local schemes benefit more people than prestige projects which produce headlines and sound-bites.

There look to be less worthy schemes with higher priority.

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Yes, you're right.  That's what I mean by "Burngullow".   The aim now is to see what needs to be done to provide an attractive service on the branch line to Par and via Par to St Austell etc.  As I understand it (don't shoot the messenger!), the Burngullow - Parkandillack route would essentially need rebuilding to make it fit for passenger trains.  It's not just a case of rebuilding the missing bit. 
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