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« Reply #195 on: October 27, 2024, 14:01:12 » |
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Given the very tight financial margins (and reliance on donations and volunteers)
the majority of heritage operators operate under, how would they finance these suggestions?
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« Reply #196 on: October 27, 2024, 16:03:15 » |
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Given the very tight financial margins (and reliance on donations and volunteers)
the majority of heritage operators operate under, how would they finance these suggestions?
Use of smokeless patent fuel should not add to costs, but only a trial would show this with any reliability. Preheating the boiler with electricity would save coal, and volunteer hours and probably be self financing. Especially if off peak electricity could be used. The slow and steady warming should prolong boiler life. Use of a battery loco as described is almost certainly cheaper in running costs, but hugely expensive in capital. There is growing interest in battery locos on the national network, perhaps we might see prototypes loaned to heritage lines for testing and free publicity ? My suggested new battery powered motor luggage vans sound expensive ! but could be justified for main line steam rail tours. Having an extra say 500 HP available on demand could allow a steamer otherwise restricted to 8 coaches, to haul 10 or more vehicles, think of the extra ticket sales. The need to hire a diesel loco could be avoided. The new vehicle would not add to the train length as it could double as the support coach. Having justified the capital costs for main line steam specials, why not keep it on a preserved line who could use it at little cost. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #197 on: October 27, 2024, 18:14:26 » |
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I've merged a few more posts from today into an existing topic here on the same subject - as ever, in the interests of continuity and clarity. CfN.  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #198 on: October 27, 2024, 22:04:39 » |
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Do heritage railways form a consortium to jointly pursue this? It's an approach that must have been explored.
Mark
Full disclosure: used to the curious property of peat, as it burns, to emit smoke that doesn't sting the eyes, I bought peat briquettes from a small shop in a rural seaside town and then used too much at once in a hearth with which I was not familiar.
Firstly, the chimney, though extended in height at some stage in the building's existence, didn't draw well at all, and secondly, whatever the binder used in these briquettes, the perpetrator needs to sit down somewhere and consider their career choices. Three days later, the stench was more of less gone from the little dwelling...
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« Reply #199 on: October 28, 2024, 04:53:24 » |
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Peat is now out of favour for either fuel or for horticultural purposes, due to the environmental harm resulting from the large scale extraction of peat.
Peat WAS used to fire locomotives, mainly in the Irish republic during the last war. Ireland has no significant coal reserves and was therefore reliant on imports from the UK▸ or from mainland Europe. Neither was reliably avilable in wartime.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #200 on: October 28, 2024, 06:37:43 » |
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Do heritage railways form a consortium to jointly pursue this? It's an approach that must have been explored.
Mark
I would be astonished if at the least there hadn't been a few messages going around asking about working together on what appears a common problem. |
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« Reply #201 on: October 28, 2024, 17:54:47 » |
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Peat is now out of favour for either fuel or for horticultural purposes, due to the environmental harm resulting from the large scale extraction of peat.
**snip**
Hard agree, even though I was the perpetrator of that particular peat product burning. Mark |
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« Reply #202 on: October 29, 2024, 09:09:21 » |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg7m7n511voTrain smoke is making us sick, say residents Families living above a tourist railway believe thick acrid smoke from trains is making them ill. They claim fumes from the Welsh Highland Railway has caused "considerable concern" on Rhes Segontiwm, in Caernarfon, Gwynedd. Nia Davies Williams said: "People are getting sick. It's terrible, I'm very worried about our health." The railway said the war in Ukraine was making it more difficult to get cleaner coal leaving them reliant on dirtier imports. ...........continues
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« Reply #203 on: October 29, 2024, 13:51:00 » |
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**Paddington Hard Stare at the design of the new station there**
Not sure how its contribution to the issue can be mitigated. Extend the roof over the platform perhaps. :-)
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« Reply #204 on: October 29, 2024, 17:45:34 » |
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg7m7n511voTrain smoke is making us sick, say residents Families living above a tourist railway believe thick acrid smoke from trains is making them ill. They claim fumes from the Welsh Highland Railway has caused "considerable concern" on Rhes Segontiwm, in Caernarfon, Gwynedd. Nia Davies Williams said: "People are getting sick. It's terrible, I'm very worried about our health." The railway said the war in Ukraine was making it more difficult to get cleaner coal leaving them reliant on dirtier imports. ...........continues It seems the Welsh mine supplying the best steam coal was closed for environmental reasons, thus leading to the environmental pollution. |
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« Reply #205 on: October 29, 2024, 19:31:41 » |
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When I was on the Isle of Man last year the steam railway was using Colombian coal. Very smoky and a strong sulphurous smell. A driver told me that it burns well with a high heat, with better thermal efficiency and much less ash than the Welsh coal they previously used.  |
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« Reply #206 on: October 29, 2024, 20:33:20 » |
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**Paddington Hard Stare at the design of the new station there** Pardon? Please elucidate? What new station? |
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« Reply #207 on: October 29, 2024, 21:28:55 » |
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Carnarfon's new and much remodelled WHR station, opened, was it 2019? Compared with the first station there, the track was taken further along beneath the retaining wall, and is now in a confined slot between the wall and the new station building. The arrangement possibly gives more opportunity for loco smoke to emerge onto the terrace above. Below, a Google Streetview link. In its original guise, the WHR in its brief previous existence didn't enter the town at all: beneath the terrace there the through lines ran to the town's station where Morrisons now is, while maps.nls.uk shows the slate wharf and various connections to an engineering works for good measure. Mark
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« Reply #208 on: October 29, 2024, 21:32:32 » |
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Ahhhh, 'new'. Indeed, nearly 5 years old.
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« Reply #209 on: October 29, 2024, 22:36:42 » |
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When I was on the Isle of Man last year the steam railway was using Colombian coal. Very smoky and a strong sulphurous smell. A driver told me that it burns well with a high heat, with better thermal efficiency and much less ash than the Welsh coal they previously used. Finn is conducting his own scientific analysis of those alleged smells ...  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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