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« on: June 16, 2020, 18:17:18 »

TWSW» (TravelWatch SouthWest - website) WEBINAR SERIES: 19.6.2020 from 16:00 to 16:50

PLANNING FOR RESTART & TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LASTING CHANGE

SESSION 7: Active Travel & Public Transport ... Allies or Enemies?

Local authorities have been encouraged to take rapid action to enable social distancing following the decision to open retail outlets in town centres. This presents huge practical issues for public transport providers, and consequentially impacts upon accessibility. The problem has been heightened by the short available timescale, which has given rise to complete consultation break down in some areas.

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2020, 09:39:41 »

TWSW» (TravelWatch SouthWest - website) WEBINAR SERIES: 19.6.2020 from 16:00 to 16:50

PLANNING FOR RESTART & TAKING THE OPPORTUNITY FOR LASTING CHANGE

SESSION 7: Active Travel & Public Transport ... Allies or Enemies?

Local authorities have been encouraged to take rapid action to enable social distancing following the decision to open retail outlets in town centres. This presents huge practical issues for public transport providers, and consequentially impacts upon accessibility. The problem has been heightened by the short available timescale, which has given rise to complete consultation break down in some areas.

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Ironically, my data feed this morning is "all" about bus diversions away from the High Street in Frome (I suspect that's because of reconstruction rather than permanent pedestrianisation) with the buses - as has been long desired - going past the station.    But what a pity they're not stopping there.   It's long overdue for all forms of getting around to co-operate rather than compete for limited road and air space!
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« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2020, 07:24:28 »

19th June 2020 - TravelWatch SouthWest Webinar notes
Active Travel & Public Transport ... Allies or Enemies?

Chris Irwin

Recalls having a cycle at Paddington a long time ago.
Notes government's push/policy towards walk, cycle and public transport
Looking at the 1980s - come key people bidding for no cycles on pacers (due to risk of people getting oil on their suits)

Note decarbonising transport paper of 3.20 with vision of net 0
£5 billion bus and cycle links outside London
ALSO + healthy aspects of even bus - walking to access points etc
BCR (Benefit Cost Ratio) of 5.6:1 on cycle projects
Outcome - dense network town centres

In May, £250m of that to Covid emergency Including cycle and bus lanes
Concern at bus exclusion such as Union Street in Aberdeen and Deansgate in Mcr

Alex Carter

Shock at voracity of sweeping changes to buses in general
Traffic controls are NOT considerate of passengers on buses

1. Somerset and Cornwall - pushing buses out of centre without alternative
2. Government does not see public transport as part of current equation
BUT what about the small numbers of vital (key) passengers
3. Is this the thin end of the wedge?   Will it be hard to get back in?
Noting Helston and Taunton

Jason Humm

Need to be careful not to infer competition
All bus and train journeys involve walking, etc, with health etc
In the short term, 25% - 30% patronage on 80% of the network that's running
Not long term good - does not reach targets
Need to revisit as distancing eases
Should look for right solution that takes care of conflict for space
Government guidance needed - Message to public. Short, medium, long term

Cate Mack

Danger of conflict on narrow pavements (Bath example)
Cyclists and Pedestrians both feeding into same areas
Simple stuff to solve - done every day in the Netherlands

David Bricknell

Unless you restrict cars, more buses will abstract from walking and cycling
So buses have little effect on cars without re-engineering

David Redgewell

Caused lots of problems in Bristol and Bath
Directors of public health shutting stops
Taunton, Yeovil, Frome, Glastonbury
People are not following the 150 pages of government guidelines

John Hassall

Lot of "get out of car" talk but services needed at right time
Example of first Minehead to Taunton bus arriving after Sunday retail workers need to be in.
When / with Taunton bus station closed, will bus loose out
(Alex Carter - that's not been a problem so far BUT the bus station can only run half the services it did if you add social distancing needs)

John Ellis

Guidance is focused on Urban.
Chipping Camden - magnificent 1way system proposed, no consultation, uproar, withdrawn.
How to review if no consultation?

Robert Williams

Council can put in temporary cycle lane but not temp bus lane.
Resulted in several (net) bus lane losses in Reading.
Closing busy stops not sensible. Moves busyness to next stops.
Longer layover may be better than cramming people on bus stops with vehicles away.
Cars coming back all too quickly

Claire Walters

RNIB» (Royal National Institute for the Blind - about) - Guide dogs do not recognise bollards.
Also issues for autistic, learning difficulties, etc
A board sprung up all over, but hard for visually impaired
Supermarket racetracks

Luke Farley

In 4-5 months we have had 30 years of change all in a short time.
Not all about return but fundamental; public transport losses.
Need long term view.

Ian [] "SWOT"

Public transport resistance, but short term.  Look at new social design.
Short and long term futures being confused. Think of temporary adoption and return to a new normality.

"What is public transport for?"
Will people go back to work or work from home?
Do we need to go to shop or be online?
Do we need large centres for the keenest prices?
But car will still be the only way for some.

Paul Johnson

3 months we have done 3 years
Don't think we'll go back
Need to be more flexible.
Consultation speed not fit for purpose.   Too many reports on shelves.
Property changes. No longer London pad and place in the country
Less frequent commute via Park and Ride?
Need common regulation

John Ellis

Consultation does need to be slow - note 2 days for Chipping Norton

Philip Dredge

Don't treat the motor industry as enemies.
Needed for the economy and some people must rely on them

Chris Irwin

Next week - rural transport

To be edited with corrections later this morning Errors and Omissions Excepted - think I have right as I noted / recall.  Please let me know of any further corrections.
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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2020, 07:43:24 »

Cast and public backchat:

15:58:27    From  Stuart Phelps : Stuart - Bristol - its stopped raining here
15:58:28    From  David Bricknell : Hello
15:58:28    From  Richard Kemble : Good afternoon all!
15:58:32    From  Graham Ellis : Graham Ellis - MRUG» (Melksham Rail User Group - site), GW (Great Western) Coffee Shop, http://www.passenger.chat
15:58:34    From  Mike Lambden : Hello from Mike Lambden at the Bus Archive
15:58:42    From  Catherine Mack : Cate Mack in
15:58:53    From  Philip Sankey : Philip Sankey WATAG from Lyme Regis
15:59:44    From  Mick Stone : Hello from Mick Stone, Purbeck CRP (Community Rail Partnership)
16:01:03    From  John Hamley : Hello - John Hamley. Melksham.
16:01:34    From  Paul Johnson : Hi everyone from TransWilts
16:01:47    From  Andrew.Ardley : Andrew Ardley, Regional Development Manager, South Western Railway
16:01:48    From  David Redgewell : David Redgewell Bristol mayor transport board. Bristol disability forum trustee south Gloucestershire council disability forum trustee
16:01:49    From  Jasper Selwyn : Jasper  Selwyn Devizes
16:02:00    From  Mike Reddaway : Hello - Mike Reddaway, Avocet (Branch line from Exeter to Exmouth) Line Rail User Group (Exmouth to Exeter)
16:02:11    From  Ian Harrison : Afternoon all
16:02:12    From  Tim Weekes : Hi from Tim Weekes - FoSBR» (Friends of Suburban Bristol Railways - site) and Coffee Shop
16:02:35    From  Stuart Mee : hello. Stuart Mee committee member Plymouth Cycling Campaign
16:03:09    From  Claire Walters : Hi all, Claire Walters here from Bus Users.
16:03:10    From  Andrea.Davis : Andrea Davis, Cabinet member Devon CC for Rail and Chairman Peninsula Rail Task Force.
16:03:27    From  Richard Burningham : Afternoon all. Richard Burningham, Devon & Cornwall Rail Partnership
16:03:34    From  Robert Williams : Chief Executive Officer at Reading Buses here



16:06:14    From  Catherine Mack : No need for conflict, but certainly a need for "codes of practice" for cyclists (eg bells compulsory with clear modes of use before you zoom past a pedestrian) and clear separation between walking and cycling lanes: not a kerb but a change of surface or somesuch.
16:08:05    From  Claire Walters : Eire transport budget just published. 53% public transit, 20% cycling and walking and only 23% auto infrastructure roads. We need a political shift along these lines
16:11:17    From  David Bricknell : Any buses operating in any town or city centre should be zero emission / non combustion vehicles.
16:11:19    From  Bryony Chetwode : Do we need clarity around the long term intended consequence of LA "active travel COVID action"
16:11:43    From  David Redgewell : disabled passengers loose their access to public transport In town centre s and taxis
16:12:33    From  Catherine Mack : Analysis of the bus user mix shows that it is largely older people, those without alternatives (either cycling of car) and those with young children. None of these needs are met if buses are eliminated from town centres. Their numbers often outselgh those wqho walk of cycle.
16:13:57    From  David Redgewell : this is not the case in Bristol and Bath where bus access remains and taxis and disabled parking  ,Gloucester And Stroud  have bus access also.
16:14:05    From  David Bricknell : Increasing bus usage will impact more of active travel than it will reduce car usage unless cars are restricted on main routes and in town centres.
16:14:29    From  AlexCarter : Hello everyone. As you've just heard, Alex Carter, Managing Director at First South West, providing bus services in part of Somerset ("Buses of Somerset") and Cornwall (Kernow)
16:14:33    From  Bryony Chetwode : In making time efficient choices, people are more likely to arrive by car from longer distances.  This could then affect longer distance route sustainability as the shift is to park and ride by sub-urban passengers.
16:14:35    From  Kit Harbottle : And - re Catherine's comment - we need to get to the point where bus use is an attractive alternative to the car - not marginalise as "no choice" user base.
16:14:39    From  David Redgewell : Devon has some bus gates
16:15:23    From  David Redgewell : Glastonbury Town centre and Frome are losing bus access
16:15:50    From  Bryony Chetwode : So how do we manage the land use in the centre of town where people queue for buses and shops - who gets involved in the conversation
16:16:20    From  Claire Walters : Need to ensure public transport is part of Active Travel plans
16:16:42    From  Philip Sankey : I agree Catherine.  Whilst we do not want the tail to wag the dog, 'equal' opportunity is critical.
16:17:09    From  Mike Reddaway : All transport modes need to work together - even cars have their place. Trains and buses need to be able to take bikes perhaps restricted to folding only. And it may need to be accepted that 2m social distancing isn't possible in a lot of situations.
16:17:48    From  Bryony Chetwode : Are you worried by the looseness around the reference to reviewing impact?  For example current behaviour against desired
16:18:07    From  Claire Walters : Bus Users, CoMo, Community Rail Partnership Network, CBT(resolve), CTA (Compulsory Ticket Area), Sustrans, Living Streets and a range of other non-profits have set up a Sustainable
16:18:46    From  Claire Walters : Sustainable Transport Alliance to offer support to Local Authorities to help resolve some of the problems being raised.
16:19:27    From  Bryony Chetwode : I highly recommend reading the paper CLaire Walters refer's to.
16:19:29    From  Kit Harbottle : I think all new cycles now have to be sold with a bell.
16:20:38    From  Nick Thwaites : There is a lot of difference between having a bell and using it....
16:22:46    From  Claire Walters : We need carrots and sticks for motorists. It needs to be made harder for private cars to access any town or city centre and bus options need to be made easier and simpler all round maybe with the Cardiff option of lots of park and ride with free travel into the centre in rush hours
16:23:11    From  Mike Reddaway : Bells now pathetically go 'ting'. Mine's a loud 'BRINNNNG!'
16:27:14    From  Richard Kemble : Surely an earlier Sunday morning journey Minehead to Taunton could be deemed as socially necessary by Somerset CC and funded by them?
16:27:14    From  David Bricknell : Need to keep cars out of the centre so that more people can walk and cycle.  Cars will remain essential to travelling towards towns.  There aren’t enough buses to reduce car use significantly.
16:28:17    From  Kit Harbottle : Main factor in cyclist / pedestrian conflict is that both are literally sidelined in the allocation of road space.
16:28:27    From  Bryony Chetwode : David Bricknell do we need to talk with Bus companies about solving this
16:29:15    From  Colin Divall : Couldn't agree more with Kit.
16:29:48    From  Claire Walters : LAs and all kinds of transport operators need to talk to each other, as well as getting the public involved. Consultation is central as are Equalities Assessments (proper ones, not tick box exercises)
16:30:02    From  David Bricknell : Bryony. Towns need to be better designed so that active travel fulfils the majority of residents needs.  Otherwise buses will clog up centres in place of the cars that currently clog up centres.
16:30:16    From  David Redgewell : railway station access to patchway and Bristol parkway station  have widened pavements to the station s but it's still difficult for wheelchair users
16:31:02    From  Catherine Mack : The longer term urgency is to sort out the transport effect on climate change, emissions and pollution. The bus - a modern less polluting bus - is essential for this: it caters for more people and sits in the middle of the transport hierarchy after walking and cycling and before car use.
16:31:43    From  David Redgewell : With Frome  Town centre.closure The bus station is brought into use in cork street  .
16:32:22    From  David Bricknell : Catherine.  Zero emission buses are essential.  Euro6 buses are not sufficiently low emission to remove the problem of Ultra-fine particulates or NOx.
16:32:39    From  Cllr Dredge : Many of us would love to cycle but are just too old
16:33:01    From  Claire Walters : The pop-up cycleways/added pavement width for social distancing has caused huge problems for people with visual impairment and for people with dementia, autism and learning difficulties who rely on learning routes.
16:34:46    From  David Redgewell : but luke at First Great western railway. Frome bus company are moving to pass Frome Railway station, with no bus stops so will not  Great western railway ,Somerset county council and Frome Bus company  .needs  discussion.
16:35:25    From  David Redgewell : not stopping at Frome railway station.
16:35:31    From  Mike Lambden : As Cllr Dredge says not everyone can cycle due to age etc but typography are part of it as well. Comparisons with Netherlands are all well and go but they generally don't have steep hills.
16:36:21    From  Paul Johnson : I am hearing that there is a danger that quick “pop up” solutions without consultation could be  “cock up” solutions but consuming a once off opportunity for Government funding.
16:36:58    From  David Bricknell : Topography is less of an issue for encouraging cycling than arranging the town to encourage safe cycling away from cars and buses.
16:37:10    From  Colin Divall : The arguments about age and topography  have less relevance when electric bikes are factored in.
16:37:14    From  Stuart Mee : Age and hills aren't really an issue in this age of e-bikes (I'm 76)
16:37:22    From  David Redgewell : how  much discussion are taking place on these access schemes between local authorities. and Bus and train operators. plus Network rail.
16:37:37    From  David Redgewell : equalities act 2010
16:38:00    From  David Redgewell : ver public health act 1984 covid 19
16:40:19    From  Ian Harrison : The principle of giving more space to pedestrians and cyclists must be right. The issue is that public transport comes next in the hierarchy, so if we are to give a message to Government it should be that they need to develop their approach to be more comprehensive - need to look beyond the current crisis.
16:40:25    From  Catherine Mack : We have speed limits for cars, and requirements to drive on the left, and obey the highway code: what's wrong with that? Why the resistance to a code for the cyclist and the walker?
16:41:22    From  Bryony Chetwode : Polite responsible and considersate
16:41:26    From  Claire Walters : Ian Harrison: That's what the Sustainable Transport Group is trying to achieve, by pulling lots of modes together
16:41:34    From  Kit Harbottle : There are elements of Highway Code for all road users. Naturally they are more demanding for those in charge of a tonne of metal.
16:42:09    From  Bryony Chetwode : Are high streets about more than just shopping?
16:43:40    From  Mike Lambden : Interesting article from a couple of days ago -
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/06/fear-transit-bad-cities/612979/?utm_source=share&utm_campaign=share
16:44:11    From  Kit Harbottle : Re high streets - yes - certainly in market towns like Tavistock. They are places of encounter, of feeling a connection to place.
16:44:35    From  Woodroffe : as a young person I use the high street from everything from socialising to shopping
16:46:33    From  David Redgewell : taunton bus station may be need when the leasure facilities in taunton opens on the 4th July
16:47:52    From  Mike Lambden : The boss of the NHS in our area says that in 10 days the level of change achieved would have taken 10 years normally. Some of the changes to how patients may be seen for appointments in future may well affect bus use.
16:48:33    From  Luke Farley : There's a huge opportunity in volumes changing on train services. Where we've had to provide for 'peak' periods - huge resource into/out of London - could it be that the tempering of this demand frees up resource and capacity for elsewhere, where it's been traditionally under served? (E.g. Cardiff-Portsmouth)
16:48:41    From  Claire Walters : Sorry to bang on about inclusion but there are huge numbers of people for whom a lot of the tech options are simply not a possibility. While lots of people will carry on working from home, may others won't have that option. Many rural areas have no internet access nor any useful public transport so we do need solutions for all, not just the "noisy" classes!
16:49:39    From  Kit Harbottle : The recent Transport for New Homes report on Garden Villages includes a pithy analysis of why our national and local planning systems fail to join up transport & housing planning.
16:49:43    From  David Bricknell : Todays combustion buses are not lower in emissions than todays combustion cars!  Unless we change to zero emission transport we will not reduce our carbon or toxic emissions.
16:49:51    From  Graham Ellis : http://www.passenger.chat/twsw20200619
16:49:54    From  David Redgewell : the equalities act is being carried out in these town centre schemes
16:49:59    From  Dean Bowles : the economy is the problem
16:49:59    From  Catherine Mack : Absolutely Claire: transport must no longer be viewed in a silo on its own: other things are needed.
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« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2020, 09:28:10 »

Bodmins town closure to traffic lasted 4 days. Shop keepers found losing more trade than they gained as those who were pulling up in the loading bays and running in for a few items stopped coming! This group of shoppers made up the majority of customers during lockdown!
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19th June 2020 - TravelWatch SouthWest Webinar notes
Active Travel & Public Transport ... Allies or Enemies?


David Redgewell

Caused lots of problems in Bristol and Bath
Directors of public health shutting stops
Taunton, Yeovil, Frome, Glastonbury
People are not following the 150 pages of government guidelines



Does the first line refer to David?  Huh
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« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2020, 16:31:33 »

Does the first line refer to David?  Huh

I don't think you've seen that in the context bucket it arose in.

In context, David was referring to the problems for bus passengers coming into cities and towns and finding that the bus stops have been moved away from the main shopping centres to allow for social distancing outside store, and indeed to allow more space for people generally walking around or on cycles. "Caused lots of problems in Bristol and Bath" referred to this issue and not to any individual.
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« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2020, 08:12:13 »

Interesting to see that the CEO (Chief Executive Officer) of Reading Buses does not appear to much more informed by Reading BC than the rest of the residents of Reading, despite RBC(resolve) being the major stakeholder in his organisation.
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« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2020, 08:37:05 »

Interesting to see that the CEO (Chief Executive Officer) of Reading Buses does not appear to much more informed by Reading BC than the rest of the residents of Reading, despite RBC(resolve) being the major stakeholder in his organisation.

There has been a lot of things imposed with little notice - you'll have spotted similar outspoken comments relating to Somerset and Cornwall.  A lot of the short notice stuff has originated outwith the local authorities, with a set of government guidelines (I think it was the 150 page one) issued 5 hours and 40 minutes before it came into effect.  The hidden players are the public health supremos, who have been issuing some fairly dramatic instruction (probably rightly so) at short notice.   In some cases (Bristol has been mentioned) there has been effective though quick dialogue to look at knock-ons, but in other cases a combination of the characters involved and their lack of ever having done this sort of thing before has resulted in less than best outcomes.
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