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« Reply #105 on: June 22, 2021, 04:22:15 pm »

Saw one this am in Bourne End (Bucks). At least they were in the road but I don't think Bourne end is one of the trial zones!
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« Reply #106 on: June 22, 2021, 07:52:57 pm »

Sadly, there has been another death of a rider, according to a number of reports, including MSN News. It wasn't a licenced scooter. Another person was critically injured after an accident on a licenced e-scooter yesterday in Newcastle, according to The Sun.
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« Reply #107 on: June 23, 2021, 07:30:45 am »

Sadly, there has been another death of a rider, according to a number of reports, including MSN News. It wasn't a licenced scooter. Another person was critically injured after an accident on a licenced e-scooter yesterday in Newcastle, according to The Sun.

Shocking, but not surprising.
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« Reply #108 on: June 23, 2021, 03:14:36 pm »

Sadly, there has been another death of a rider, according to a number of reports, including MSN News. It wasn't a licenced scooter. Another person was critically injured after an accident on a licenced e-scooter yesterday in Newcastle, according to The Sun.

Shocking, but not surprising.

Without figures to tell us the rates of death and injury per 1000 km, we can't tell whether these figures are worse than other modes of transport or better.
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« Reply #109 on: June 23, 2021, 04:57:35 pm »


Without figures to tell us the rates of death and injury per 1000 km, we can't tell whether these figures are worse than other modes of transport or better.

Very true, which is why I reported it without comment. Not may people died in car accidents until there were a lot of cars, and the sample is too small to draw any sort of conclusion, which won't stop some people. It is more difficult by the presence of both licenced and unlicenced versions of the same vehicle.
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« Reply #110 on: June 30, 2021, 02:44:45 pm »

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E-scooter rider risks losing driving licence after crashing while twice the alcohol limit
They now face losing their licence after being caught under the influence following the collision
An e-scooter rider was caught by police being twice the alcohol limit after a crash in Bristol

They now face losing their licence after being caught under the influence following the collision.

The crash happened on Wednesday (June 23).

Police issued a warning on social media in a tweet which said: "A reminder that you can be arrested for drink driving while using an electric scooter.

"This rider was involved in a road traffic collision on Weds evening in Bristol, blew 75 (legal limit 35) at the roadside and risks losing his licence for a year."

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Source: Bristol Live

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« Reply #111 on: June 30, 2021, 03:07:36 pm »

This sounds overly strict to me.
As far as I know the rider of a cycle (including an electrically assisted type) is not liable to breathalyzer testing nor to loss of their car driving licence if found riding whilst drunk.

A drunken cycle rider CAN be prosecuted, but only if badly impaired through drink and NOT simply for being over the limit for driving a car.

IMHO (in my humble opinion) scooter riding should be encouraged, and if riders wish to break their fool necks, that is up to them. Whilst there is some risk to other and sober road users these risks are arguably no worse than those presented by drunk pedestrians.
We allow drunk walking, unless so bad that arrest and prosecution for being drunk and disorderly is reasonable.
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« Reply #112 on: June 30, 2021, 04:24:40 pm »

And here's another moron....this one has been banned, so one less drunk on the roads.

https://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/news/plymouth-news/drink-driving-e-scooter-rider-5588105?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
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« Reply #113 on: June 30, 2021, 04:34:58 pm »

Technically speaking, we don't allow drunk walking. It is an offence under, IIRC (if I recall/remember/read correctly), Section 12 of the Licensing Act 1872 to be drunk in any road or public place. In practice, strict enforcement of this law would lead to at least half the population being jailed, including the police, judges and prison officers, so actually there would be legal justice system left. Law is anarchy!  Cheesy

You can also lose your driving licence for any offence whatsoever, it doesn't have to be a driving offence. I can't remember what act that's from but it's 21st century.
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« Reply #114 on: July 01, 2021, 05:43:57 pm »

This sounds overly strict to me.
As far as I know the rider of a cycle (including an electrically assisted type) is not liable to breathalyzer testing nor to loss of their car driving licence if found riding whilst drunk.


It's a motor vehicle, so is subject to the same Road Traffic Act.

(This removes possibly the only reason why I would ever ride one)
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« Reply #115 on: July 01, 2021, 06:47:13 pm »

This sounds overly strict to me.
As far as I know the rider of a cycle (including an electrically assisted type) is not liable to breathalyzer testing nor to loss of their car driving licence if found riding whilst drunk.


It's a motor vehicle, so is subject to the same Road Traffic Act.

(This removes possibly the only reason why I would ever ride one)

And yet electrically assisted cycles do not seem to be regarded as motor vehicles.
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« Reply #116 on: July 01, 2021, 06:54:27 pm »

Electrically assisted cycles require you to do some of the work by peddling. Electrically powered cycles are classed as motor vehicles as no human power input is used. There is a very significant difference. Escooters are solely powered by electricity and are thus motor vehicles in law.
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« Reply #117 on: July 01, 2021, 09:19:06 pm »


And yet electrically assisted cycles do not seem to be regarded as motor vehicles.

They aren't, because they're not.

I was in Bristol yesterday and today, and saw quite a lot of the scooters, including a fair few being used. I don't think I ever saw one of the previous yellow bikes being ridden, which suggests that the e-scooters have more potential, and are probably here to stay. All were being ridden responsibly, although mostly without helmet, with the exception of one being used by a young man who seems determined to save the country the price of a pension.
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« Reply #118 on: July 08, 2021, 06:38:16 pm »

The yellow bikes (Yo bikes was their brand name) were pretty popular when first introduced. Unlike the hire scooters, they were also used further afield; it wasn't unusual to see people riding them to Bath, for instance. This won't happen with the e-scooters because (at the moment at least) they are geofenced. However, people did love throwing the yellow bikes in the docks. It's actually a puzzle to me why this doesn't happen with the scooters too.
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« Reply #119 on: July 08, 2021, 09:30:10 pm »

Presumably they know whom hired each scooter and therefore whom threw it into the dock rather than returning it.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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