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Author Topic: E-scooter trials - but rental only. What do members think?  (Read 25693 times)
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« Reply #135 on: September 04, 2021, 11:46:13 am »

One of the parking places for the new Minehead scooters is adjacent to the harbour and a busy pub, not perhaps the best choice. I foresee problems.

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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #136 on: September 12, 2021, 01:52:17 am »

Shock headline news in Slough - An elderly gentleman has been filmed deliberately knocking the scooters only!

The Slough Observer is on the case.

https://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/news/19572517.e-scooters-pushed-elderly-man-walking-stick-slough/

I'm not entirely sure what qualifies as news these days but I suppose it makes a change from photos of angry residents pointing at things they don't like.  Smiley


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« Reply #137 on: September 12, 2021, 07:51:10 am »

Shock headline news in Slough - An elderly gentleman has been filmed deliberately knocking the scooters only!

The Slough Observer is on the case.

https://www.sloughobserver.co.uk/news/19572517.e-scooters-pushed-elderly-man-walking-stick-slough/

I'm not entirely sure what qualifies as news these days but I suppose it makes a change from photos of angry residents pointing at things they don't like.  Smiley




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« Reply #138 on: September 12, 2021, 09:56:00 am »

Shock headline news in Slough - An elderly gentleman has been filmed deliberately knocking the scooters only!

As even, the real depth of public opinion on the story is exposed in the comments

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This is so shocking I don't think I will ever be able to sleep ever again. What has the world come to, when someone can knock over an inanimate object, just because some inconsiderate person chooses to dump the scooter in the middle of the pavement, what kind of monster is he. This is the start of the breakdown of society, in 10 or 20 years we will have people stabbing and shooting each other indiscriminately. Thank you Observer for bringing this important shocking horrific incident to our attention. With such brilliant journalism hopefully we can save humanity.

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There's a very well coordinated smear campaign against escooters going on across all UK (United Kingdom) media for at least a year now. Rarely do I see anyone praising this new form of pollution-free transport. The bias is so heavily against them that it seems the goal is to turn public opinion against them to prevent legislation being passed in favour of their use. And from the actions of this man and the earlier comments in this thread and others in many online articles it seems that are being successful. Ask yourself - who gets to benefit if escooters remain illegal and we are forced back into our cars for even the shortest journeys? Based on the news you've seen over the last year, would you say that you find yourself turning more and more against them even though you personally haven't had any negative experience with them that would have made you feel that way. There's an agenda here folks. The purpose of all these articles against escooters seems very much to be to control how you think about them. Is it working?
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« Reply #139 on: September 12, 2021, 11:33:02 am »

The second comment is thought-provoking. Events of the last few years show how a constant drip-feed of misinformation and biased reporting can, over time, persuade the majority of people to follow a path which only benefits a few vested interests.

But we can't pretend that the implementation of scooter schemes is perfect:

  • They get left in dangerous places;
  • Riders may be inconsiderate, drunk or on drugs;
  • Unqualified or underage people use them.

All these things are true of private motor cars, of course, but when cars are involved we tend to point the finger of blame at the driver rather than their mode of transport. Funny, that.

We ought to be able to do something about parking though. Isn't the right place to store these things on the road, in adapted car parking spaces? A car parking space could easily accommodate a dozen or so scooters without obstructing the pavement.
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« Reply #140 on: September 12, 2021, 11:56:56 am »

I largely agree with the second comment, regarding a hidden agenda against E scooters.

Not certain WHY this should be though ? They seem to tolerate electric cycles which are in many ways comparable. Why is a car licence required to operate an E scooter but not an E cycle ?

Anyone can purchase and use an E cycle, so why the restrictions on the E scooters ?
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« Reply #141 on: September 12, 2021, 12:09:04 pm »

In Birmingham and I think also Liverpool, where Voi run the schemes, all the scooter parking is now in docks. Although these are placed on the pavement rather than on the road carriageway, it does mean they don't block the pavements. It's especially helpful for the blind and wheelchair users, but for everyone really. The scheme in Bristol is also run by Voi but for some reason we don't have docked parking yet. One disadvantage of the docked parking is that it limits the usefulness of the scooters – they become only dock to dock, not door to door – but this is already the case in Bristol as they are geofenced; just that the geofencing isn't as precise or as neat as a physical dock.
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« Reply #142 on: September 12, 2021, 01:31:11 pm »

I largely agree with the second comment, regarding a hidden agenda against E scooters.

Not certain WHY this should be though ? They seem to tolerate electric cycles which are in many ways comparable. Why is a car licence required to operate an E scooter but not an E cycle ?

Anyone can purchase and use an E cycle, so why the restrictions on the E scooters ?

This was answered last time you asked the same question:

Electrically assisted cycles require you to do some of the work by peddling. Electrically powered cycles are classed as motor vehicles as no human power input is used. There is a very significant difference. Escooters are solely powered by electricity and are thus motor vehicles in law.
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« Reply #143 on: September 12, 2021, 01:50:10 pm »

But ARE E scooters propelled solely by electric power ? The ones that I have seen are also propelled by the rider applying one foot to the ground and pushing backwards as with a non powered scooter.

Many electrical assisted cycles can be moved by electricity alone without use of the pedals. AFAIK (as far as I know) this design is legal subject to a limit on maximum speed under power.
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« Reply #144 on: September 12, 2021, 02:22:00 pm »

But ARE E scooters propelled solely by electric power ?

Yes.

You push with your foot to get it going, but after that speed is controlled by buttons on the handlebars. With (legal) e-bikes, on the other hand, their speed is related to the speed at which you pedal.

This may seem to some extent a nice distinction, but it actually makes quite a difference.
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« Reply #145 on: September 12, 2021, 09:33:30 pm »

Many electrical assisted cycles can be moved by electricity alone without use of the pedals. AFAIK (as far as I know) this design is legal subject to a limit on maximum speed under power.
Not usually. AFAIK this was legal up to a certain speed under older regulations but not on anything newer.
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« Reply #146 on: September 12, 2021, 09:39:48 pm »

Today I was stewarding at a street party. My tasks basically consisted of moving a barrier for vehicles which had a legitimate reason for access and telling others why they couldn't come in, etc. Without exception, every single e-scooter followed the diversion signs without needing to be told, apart from one or two which were actually coming to the party (there is a designated parking spot in the street party area) and they got off and pushed. The reports you read in some places would give you a very different expectation.
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« Reply #147 on: September 16, 2021, 12:11:47 pm »

Regrettably not all are as well-behaved as your visitors https://road.cc/content/news/police-seek-e-scooter-rider-after-cyclist-seriously-injured-286357
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« Reply #148 on: September 27, 2021, 06:28:49 pm »

Very moving account, just been shown on the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page), making the argument for helmets to be made compulsory.


BBC News - Shakur Pinnock e-scooter death: 'His sacrifices will save a lot of people'
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58711393
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« Reply #149 on: September 27, 2021, 06:54:42 pm »

A tragic and unnecessary death.

In addition to the lack of helmets, the couple were riding an unauthorised scooter on the road, and were both riding the one scooter.  (By being unauthorised, there was no opportunity for the hire company to ensure that they were aware of the risks, ways to mitigate them (ie do's and don'ts), and that they were licensed to ride them.)

So unfortunately they did stack the odds against themselves, in more ways than not wearing helmets, and paid a very heavy price for doing so. My impression is that there isn't enough awareness that you can't take a privately owned E-scooter on the highway (I've never seen it publicised) so somehow I doubt this will be last such incident resulting in a tragic loss of life.

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