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Author Topic: Future of Class 180s?  (Read 2720 times)
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« Reply #45 on: June 13, 2020, 12:35:38 pm »

Unless someone can make them reliable with an economic level of maintenance could I suggest the most likely destination is the scrap heap?
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« Reply #46 on: June 13, 2020, 04:28:17 pm »


Plenty of routes which could use those voyagers, Scotrail could use them to replace it's HST fleet as well as the 158s/170s on some of the busier routes (Inverness to Aberdeen), They could also be used to replace multiple rolling stock at Transport for Wales.

I suspect having invested in the HST's and gone through the pain of introduction, Scotrail isn't going to be in the market to replace them in the timescales that the Voyagers will need to find a new home. And they will be covering all the "Inter-City 7" routes, including Inverness to Aberdeen, so no opportunity to find a home for over 100 sets there (including Meridians and Pioneers).

So that's the problem with Voyagers if not used for XC. Most long distance services have had new trains recently. There are a small number of routes which might be ok, but not to find homes for 100 sets. 

The HST's are only a short term fix, even GWR have stated this with the Castle sets, running 41 year old HST fleets is not a long term solution, the voyagers would provide that as they have a good 15 years life left in them. Voyager replacements could only happen in 4 to 6 years time, which is about right for replacing HSTs.
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« Reply #47 on: June 13, 2020, 04:42:35 pm »

I don't think GWR, or whatever form that franchise is in by then, will be interested in Voyagers replacing the Castle Class HSTs due to the Dawlish situation.

I think Voyagers could of course replace the Cross Country Class 170 fleet in the medium term, but there aren't many other obvious solutions if they don't see out their days on the existing XC Voyager operated routes.
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« Reply #48 on: June 13, 2020, 05:13:25 pm »

I don't think GWR, or whatever form that franchise is in by then, will be interested in Voyagers replacing the Castle Class HSTs due to the Dawlish situation.  ....

<advocate mode="devils">If Network Rail are doing things at Dawlish to ensure it's fully stable and usable, and trains are provided to run these routes ... will problems remain?</advocate>
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« Reply #49 on: June 15, 2020, 09:38:04 am »

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=86oqnk--X_A
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« Reply #50 on: June 15, 2020, 05:42:30 pm »

I always loved the way that video ends with "and if it doesn't work, try turning it off and on again".
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« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2020, 07:47:51 pm »

I always loved the way that video ends with "and if it doesn't work, try turning it off and on again".

That's always been standard railway fault finding procedure.  If that still doesn't work then you get your Bardic lamp out and hit it!  Grin
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« Reply #52 on: June 15, 2020, 07:49:19 pm »

I always loved the way that video ends with "and if it doesn't work, try turning it off and on again".

That's always been standard railway fault finding procedure.  If that still doesn't work then you get your Bardic lamp out and hit it!  Grin

How long does it take to power a steam engine down and then up again?
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« Reply #53 on: June 15, 2020, 09:36:30 pm »

A friend of mine who was driving Tornado was told to power the electronics off and on again if they played up (The official minder then went for breakfast and left my friend to it).
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« Reply #54 on: June 16, 2020, 08:30:42 am »

Standard procedure for busses as well!
Hopefully not aircraft in flight...........
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« Reply #55 on: June 27, 2020, 06:26:33 pm »

I don't think GWR, or whatever form that franchise is in by then, will be interested in Voyagers replacing the Castle Class HSTs due to the Dawlish situation.

I think Voyagers could of course replace the Cross Country Class 170 fleet in the medium term, but there aren't many other obvious solutions if they don't see out their days on the existing XC Voyager operated routes.

I never said GWR should replace HST's with voyagers, I said Scotrail should. GWR have only said the Castle are short term. Personally GWR should look at something similar to the 172s that can replace the 150s, 165,166s and 158s with a uniform regional fleet able to run up to 100mph with connecting cabs.
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« Reply #56 on: June 27, 2020, 08:40:40 pm »

Standard procedure for busses as well!
Hopefully not aircraft in flight...........

It does happen sometimes but unlikely as there are multiple backups in place.
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« Reply #57 on: June 27, 2020, 10:13:04 pm »

Standard procedure for busses as well!
Hopefully not aircraft in flight...........

It does happen sometimes but unlikely as there are multiple backups in place.

In a recent Air Accident Investigation programme an aircraft crash was caused by the pilot pulling a circuit breaker to reset a recurrent minor alarm because he had seen a ground engineer do the same thing !! There weren't any backups ............
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« Reply #58 on: July 14, 2020, 11:16:10 pm »

Standard procedure for busses as well!
Hopefully not aircraft in flight...........

It does happen sometimes but unlikely as there are multiple backups in place.

In a recent Air Accident Investigation programme an aircraft crash was caused by the pilot pulling a circuit breaker to reset a recurrent minor alarm because he had seen a ground engineer do the same thing !! There weren't any backups ............

I was meaning the PFD & MFD screens etc. I know the episode you are on about involving an ATR, sadly in that case the pilot broke the airline's SOP, which would be classed as it's backup.
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