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« Reply #15 on: July 28, 2020, 21:41:13 »

A very interesting chat about this "call for views" in the Tuesday Club late this afternoon.  Consensus (but from a statistically insignificant little group of us) was that this might be an exceptional case where rework around the forum's members, work out if there's a commonality of views, and do a group submission for those common areas, rather like we did on the GWR (Great Western Railway) franchise consultation.

Whether or not our inputs are noticed in the flood that the committee will get ... they will help members learn from one another, think things through, and hopefully come out better informed.   And - who knows - if they are good, we may even get to help steer things in a direction that we - and probably countless others - would like.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2020, 15:21:40 »

It does rather look as though the Government isn't waiting for everyone to express an opinion. Where Jeremy Corbyn couldn't do it, the Conservative administration may effectively renationalise the railways, according to The Times

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Trans Pennine Express is one of the rail companies that industry insiders think could come under direct control of the Department for Transport
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Britain’s railways are on the verge of being formally renationalised with billions of pounds of financial liabilities carried by the train operating companies being taken on to the public books.

It is understood that the Office for National Statistics (ONS» (Office for National Statistics - website)) could announce a decision today on the reclassification of the status of the privately owned train operators, which are in crisis as a result of the pandemic.
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Long story short - there's too much public money involved now to call the railways private concerns. The government says this is just an accounting trick, but many believe operational takeover is just around the next corner.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2020, 16:07:11 »

Reclassification was announced today, though the letter to HM Treasury is dated 27th July.

The reasons are stated thus:
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ONS» (Office for National Statistics - website) assessed TOCs (Train Operating Company) in the context of the internationally-agreed rules laid out in the European System of Accounts (ESA) 2010 and the accompanying Manual on Government Deficit and Debt (MGDD) 2019.
The assessment noted that,
• The EMAs place constraints on the capacity of the TOCs to raise funds: specifically, the EMAs prevent the TOCs from being able to borrow any sum, or enter into any loan or lending agreement for the purpose of borrowing from any person
• The main reason the train services continue to run is because it is government policy to ensure the continuation of these rail services. Some of the open-access operators not included within the EMA package have suspended services
• Almost all of the financial risks associated with rail transport are now borne by the government
• For the duration of the EMAs, without the permission of the Secretary of State for Transport TOCs cannot take key decisions that relate to their corporate policy such as increasing their workforce or reducing their workforce by more than 5%, or setting ticket prices lower than they were immediately before EMAs came into place
Having also noted that control over an institutional unit does not require interventions in its day-to-day business (see MGDD 2019 1.2.3.1, 24), the assessment concluded that public sector control of TOCs exists.

The one thing I was expecting in that list, guaranteeing the TOCs loans, isn't there. It's sort of implied in the other points, but it is the classic reason for doing this.

I'm puzzled too that they are so keen to do a sector flip in response to a temporary measure - I though shifting things between sectors screwed up the National Accounts and would be put off until unavoidable.

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« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2020, 13:00:57 »

Consultation closes on 24th September ... but is The Government about to jump the gun and implement elements of Williams even before the consultation closes?   Unsure of my source - so "members only" in Rumour Mill -  http://www.passenger.chat/24017
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