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« Reply #15 on: February 28, 2021, 11:50:00 am »

https://www.facebook.com/groups/367387502018/permalink/10157684182557019

I will confess to being very keen on this one ... it strikes me amongst all the excellent proposals I hear about to be double or treble times excellent.



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South East on Track campaigns for better rail services across the South East of Ireland

Updates business case via https://southeastontrack.com/business-case (and I am mirroring it)

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The Rosslare & Wexford – Waterford Rail line closed in 2010 during the Global Financial Crisis
• Low Passenger numbers were cited as the reason for closure.
• The service was minimal (one train a day each direction) and provided no commuter service to/from Wexford Town, the main Commuting destination of the region.
• The rail link has immense strategic value, linking Rosslare Europort to the South and West of Ireland, as well as being the only link apart from the Phoenix Park Tunnel which links the Connolly & Heuston Station rail networks.
• Commuter flows along the line are 3:1 in the Wexford Town vs Waterford City direction.
• Significant population increases are projected in the South East over the coming decades.
• The area currently has some of the lowest Public Transport commuter usage in the State.
• The line has been maintained since 2010, though this maintenance has been downgraded as of 20204.
• Estimated costs of refurbishment to passenger rail standard vary from €29 million - €72 million.
• The estimated cost (using EU» (European Union - about) figures) to build a new rail link would be approximately €652 million.
• The line could be restored and upgraded for regular passenger service at a fraction of this cost.
• Severance of the rail link would leave Wexford Town the only urban area in the NUTS II Southern Region of Ireland with a population of greater than 15,000 not connected to Waterford and the rest of the Southern Region via a direct rail link.
• Significant developments are planned close to or on the rail line, including the North Quays project in Waterford City, Trinity Wharf in Wexford, Technological University of the South East (TUSE) in Waterford, Wexford, and Carlow and significant investment and increased ferry connectivity at Rosslare Europort.
• South East on Track’s analysis suggests an annual usage of 500,000 is feasible in the short to medium term.
• A rail link from Wexford/Rosslare to Waterford is consistent with a plethora of strategic and policy goals at European, National, Regional, and Local levels.

Reaching the Irish Parliament too.  Good.  Seanad Éireann debate - Friday, 26 Feb 2021
https://www.oireachtas.ie/en/debates/debate/seanad/2021-02-26/13/

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Senator Ó Donnghaile spoke about a high-speed rail project and it will be part of a much wider rail review for the country. It is not just about Dublin, Belfast and Cork. We agreed to extend it to Derry and look at its potential. A number of Senators have raised the question of the likes of the western rail corridor. It is not just the N24 we need to look at but we must look at what to do with the rail line from Wexford to Waterford and Carrick-on-Suir, Clonmel, Cahir, Tipperary town, Bansha and upwards. It is not just 19th century market towns that are our legacy. We have a legacy of being the best rail builders in the world and there are strands of rail line left that we are not using, in effect. Nobody really uses it because it is not designed to be used. It is still there and just giving up on those assets would make questionable sense. The Dublin to Belfast route will come under that wider rail review taking place this year.
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« Reply #16 on: February 28, 2021, 01:30:19 pm »

Further article in the Irish Independent

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The group behind the campaign to reinstate the Rosslare to Waterford rail line believe that, with some relatively minor investment, commuters could travel by rail between Wexford town and Waterford in just 45 minutes.

Presenting their business case report, South East on Track believe that it's 'now or never' for the reintroduction of rail travel between Wexford and Waterford and that should the current line be ripped up to accommodate the Rosslare to Waterford greenway, it would take some €652 million to create a similar rail line at a point in the future, making it extremely likely to happen.

For this reason, they are pushing for the route to be re-instated now. The report estimates that to refurbish the line to carry freight only from Rosslare to Belview would cost in the region of €29m. This rises to €54m to reinstate the current track for passenger services. However, should the Killanne-Killinick (Felthouse Junction) curve be reinstated, the total cost would run to around €89m, but would reduce the journey time to just 45 minutes.

While Iarnród Éireann last week spoke of a desire to expand their rail network, it's unclear whether the Wexford to Waterford line is likely to figure highly in their thinking just yet. Ten years ago when the route closed, dwindling passenger numbers were quoted. However, South East on Track say that's because the service was completely unfit for purpose anyway.

'If Iarnród Éireann said that they were reinstating the same service as what was there before, it wouldn't be much of a cause for celebration,' said spokesperson for the group Peter Branigan. 'That would be one service in the morning and one in the evening. There's no point in giving people something they are not going to use. This needs to be every two hours. For example, if you were using the train to go to Waterford for a hospital appointment, you won't want to wait around all day to get back in the evening.'

Although the numbers may seem significant from a financial end of things, South East on Track rightly point out that it pales in comparison to the billions that has been spent on motorway infrastructure in the model county in recent years.

A very different line to the TransWilts ... but I am minded how things turned around when we went up from two trains a day to a train every couple of hours ... took it up from 3,000 ticketed journeys at Melksham per annum (which is what the Office of Rail Regulation (ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about)) told me when I asked about how busy the line way) to 240,000 journeys on the line in less than 3 years. And that was capped there was no more physical space to fit people on the train!


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« Reply #17 on: March 13, 2021, 06:24:50 am »

From The Waterford News and Start

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THE Waterford to Rosslare Greenway project has been suspended by Wexford County Council as the push to see the existing and intact railway line included in the pending all-Ireland Strategic Rail Review continues.

The news was confirmed earlier this week by Wexford County Council Chairperson Ger Carthy (Ind) and was welcomed by the South East On Track (SEOT) advocacy group.

In a statement, SEOT spokesperson Joe Ryan (a former Mayor of Wexford) said the suspension of the Greenway project paved the way for the line to be featured in the Strategic Rail Review.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2021, 11:28:37 am »

https://www.facebook.com/Wexford-Greenway-100479955490609

Common sense

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