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« on: August 19, 2020, 09:06:35 am »

From Rail Business UK (United Kingdom)

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GWR (Great Western Railway) buys vehicles outright in HST (High Speed Train) fleet expansion

UK: Despite concerns over future passenger numbers, the Department for Transport has given permission for Great Western Railway to procure three more shortened HST diesel trainsets, branded as the Castle Class by the franchisee.

Each set comprises four refurbished PRM (Persons with Reduced Mobility) TSI-compliant MkIII trailer vehicles marshalled between two diesel power cars. GWR already has 11 of these ‘short sets’, all of which have been heavily rebuilt at Wabtec’s Doncaster plant, where power doors are fitted.

With its fleet now increasing to 14, GWR expects to use 12 each day on services across the west of England. Currently the fleet is deployed on the Cardiff – Bristol – Penzance corridor, but the company is still evaluating how the additional sets will be used.

A notable aspect of the procurement is the decision by GWR to acquire 15 additional MkIII vehicles and seven Class 43 power cars from leasing company Angel Trains. GWR is also to receive a further three additional coaches already owned by its parent First Rail Holdings, which will be fully refurbished and made available as standby vehicles.

GWR has also bought another five MkIII vehicles from Porterbrook which will be used purely as a source of spare parts for the Castle fleet. These acquisitions mean that GWR’s short HST fleet now totals 63 coaches and 35 power cars.

Looked in vain for a date on the article - "old news?" I asked myself, except that it refers to the uncertain future at the start.

I suspect that GWR is not buying but leasing ... but good for the future to have Castles not 143s and do a bit of cascading?
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« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2020, 11:56:54 am »

I remember hearing this sometime back - but cannot recall now whether it was at the stage when GWR (Great Western Railway) were asking for permission or received it.
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« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2020, 12:26:05 pm »

I suspect that GWR (Great Western Railway) is not buying but leasing ... but good for the future to have Castles not 143s and do a bit of cascading?

TBMK these are actual purchases rather than lease arrangements. Very good for the future of the short HSTs (High Speed Train). Reading between the lines, GWR are not particularly hopeful for the quick delivery of the 769s and will need cover when the 143s disappear at the end of the year. Also, several more 150s are going to Northern in the near future.
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« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2020, 12:34:01 pm »

In theory could you couple 2 sets together without modification (power cars in the centre fitted with buffers)?
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« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2020, 01:18:05 pm »

I suppose that extra intermediate vehicles could be added, up to say 7, 8, or even 9 passenger vehicles whilst only needing two power cars.
These extra vehicles could include useful facilities not found on newer stock.
Bulky holiday luggage, cycles and even surfboards could be conveyed in the power cars.
It might even be possible to run these longer trains to and from London.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2020, 03:43:44 pm »

I suppose that extra intermediate vehicles could be added, up to say 7, 8, or even 9 passenger vehicles whilst only needing two power cars.
These extra vehicles could include useful facilities not found on newer stock.
Bulky holiday luggage, cycles and even surfboards could be conveyed in the power cars.
It might even be possible to run these longer trains to and from London.

..and possibly enough room to install some sort of buffet / bar?
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« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2020, 05:08:03 pm »

In theory could you couple 2 sets together without modification (power cars in the centre fitted with buffers)?

I don't think Class 43's (well, not these ones, anyway  Wink ) are set-up for working in multiple with more than one other loco
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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2020, 09:30:35 pm »

Hopefully this will slow the procession of Mk3 stock that’s been heading to various scrap yards of late. Also good news for Laira depot with more sets to maintain.

Would be great to see one of these sets operating the extra Bristol-Weymouth Summer Saturday service next year.
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« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2020, 12:11:29 pm »

I suspect that GWR (Great Western Railway) is not buying but leasing ... but good for the future to have Castles not 143s and do a bit of cascading?

TBMK these are actual purchases rather than lease arrangements. Very good for the future of the short HSTs (High Speed Train). Reading between the lines, GWR are not particularly hopeful for the quick delivery of the 769s and will need cover when the 143s disappear at the end of the year. Also, several more 150s are going to Northern in the near future.

Is it known how many 150s are due to depart and when?
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2020, 07:36:02 pm »

I believe this is in relation to the renewed franchise, which specified an additional HST (High Speed Train) set, it now appears GWR (Great Western Railway) have ordered 3 1 for daily use and 2 for back up. Some PC/Mk3s coming from the owned First Group pool and others joining from Porterbrook.

Very good news for the Castle sets although I would like to see a TC(resolve) First added and maybe a few upgraded to 5 car sets?

In regards to the 150s only the 150/0s are going to Northern, actually they've already gone. All remaining 150s are staying for the next 3 years.
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