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Author Topic: Terrible day in UK rail history 28 February  (Read 1138 times)
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« on: February 28, 2021, 07:51:25 am »

1975 - At 8.37 am in the London rush hour, a Northern Line underground train crashed through the buffers at Moorgate station and hit a solid dead-end wall, killing 41 people and seriously injuring 50. The rescue operation took three days to complete.


2001- GNER (Great North Eastern Railways) train from York to London King's Cross crashed at Great Heck between Goole and Selby, North Yorkshire, on the East Coast main line. Gary Hart fell asleep at the wheel of his Land Rover and plunged 40ft down the railway embankment from the M62 into the path of an express train. The 4.45am Great North Eastern Intercity service from Newcastle to London King's Cross ploughed into the Land Rover before colliding with a coal train travelling north. 10 people, including both train drivers, died and more than 70 were injured. See ©BB plaque in the memorial garden that overlooks the track. See also ©BB picture. With an estimated closing speed of 142 mph the collision between the trains is the highest speed railway incident that has occurred in the UK (United Kingdom). Hart was convicted of ten charges of causing death by dangerous driving, but served just 30 months of a five-year jail term.
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« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2021, 08:22:52 am »

1975 - At 8.37 am in the London rush hour, a Northern Line underground train crashed through the buffers at Moorgate station and hit a solid dead-end wall, killing 41 people and seriously injuring 50. The rescue operation took three days to complete.

Dad managed an office in a basement up the road on Finsbury Square; he came home telling us how they had heard the thud even at that distance.  Lots of tales from the office when he unwound in the evening - most forgotten but that one remembered.
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« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2021, 04:58:14 pm »

I agree a terrible day and my thoughts for all those affected.

After the 2001 crash the driver's insurance company paid out over £20M.  This is the UK (United Kingdom)'s largest car insurance payout.
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« Reply #3 on: February 28, 2021, 06:38:22 pm »

2001- GNER (Great North Eastern Railways) train from York to London King's Cross crashed at Great Heck between Goole and Selby, North Yorkshire, on the East Coast main line. ...

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-56085631 - "Selby rail crash: Disaster remembered 20 years on"
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« Reply #4 on: February 28, 2021, 09:20:41 pm »

2001- GNER (Great North Eastern Railways) train from York to London King's Cross crashed at Great Heck between Goole and Selby, North Yorkshire, on the East Coast main line. ...

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) at https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-56085631 - "Selby rail crash: Disaster remembered 20 years on"

Worth a read, particularly for the intelligent and dignified contribution from Steve Dunn’s widow.
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« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2021, 12:36:37 am »

A few hours ago (evening of 13th March), a MerseyRail train hit the buffers at Kirkby.  Just beyond the buffer stops ia a bridge the line used to continue through which is (or rather was until a few hours ago) occupied by an extended walkway built out at platform level onto the trackbed for passengers to walk through to connect to their onward Northern train.  From early reports, it would seem that although massive damage has been done and the driver was taken to hospital, there are no casualties.  Thank goodness it wasn't a solid wall as at Moorgate, though I have no idea how fast the train was going.  Wishing the driver and anyone else hurt a speedy recovery; awaiting official information in due course as to what went wrong.
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« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2021, 01:27:03 am »

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A train shockingly derailed at Kirkby station this evening after hitting a buffer stop, operator Merseyrail has now confirmed.

Investigators today launched a probe into how the train managed to leave the tracks in such dangerous fashion just after 6.30pm, leaving behind very significant damage.

It has now emerged the driver of the Merseyrail service was taken to hospital by ambulance as a precautionary measure.

Twelve passengers were on board the 6.35pm travelling from Knowsley toward Liverpool, along with two crew members.

They were described as "walking wounded" with minor injuries.

The passengers all managed to walk off the train following the smash, and were checked at the scene by paramedics.

They did not need additional medical treatment, but the train driver was taken to hospital.

The train struck the buffer stop, a device designed to prevent railway vehicles going past the end of a physical section of track.

And a thread split coming in the morning.

I question the accuracy of a couple of elements here ... and thank the author for telling us what a buffer stop is.  But yet that very seriously reminds us of the need for clarity and explanation for newcomers.
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« Reply #7 on: March 15, 2021, 10:03:59 pm »


Quote from Twitter:

"507006 last night is not the 1st time a train has smashed through the buffers at Kirkby Station - Remember 508101 in 1987 & 507029 in 1991 & 507032 in 1997."

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« Reply #8 on: March 16, 2021, 06:18:57 am »

Of course, previous incidents would have been pre-TPWS (Train Protection and Warning System) and before data recorders were installed.  I’ll be interested to see what the RAIB (Rail Accident Investigation Branch) has to say about it.
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« Reply #9 on: March 16, 2021, 12:55:36 pm »

There is of course nothing about February 28 that renders train travel less safe than on other dates, it is simply tragic chance.

How long before some group or other suggests "not travelling by train on February 28 due to the risks"

There has been a regretable increase in superstition in recent years. Did you know that fatal house fires are more likely in odd numbered houses than even numbered houses ? Should odd numbers be banned ?
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« Reply #10 on: March 16, 2021, 01:11:34 pm »

How long before some group or other suggests "not travelling by train on February 28 due to the risks"

Probably quite some time.
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« Reply #11 on: March 16, 2021, 01:20:20 pm »

Did you know that fatal house fires are more likely in odd numbered houses than even numbered houses ?

According to totally unreliable sources, there are on average somewhere around between 65 and 70 houses in the average street.  If a street has an odd number of houses, there is one more odd than even houses there, but if a street has an even number they match. A little bit of mental arithmetic suggests that 50.4% of houses have odd numbers and 49.6% have even numbers.  And on that basis, the number of fatal fires reported overall in odd number houses will be higher than the number of fatal fires reported overall in even number houses.

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Not from the evidence presented.  It's the number of fires per million in the pool in which you are measuring and the two pools you are comparing are of different size.



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« Reply #12 on: March 16, 2021, 03:39:42 pm »

You are correct, there are more odd numbered houses than even numbers, and therefore more fatal fires therein.

I doubt however that the nuttier end of the on line mother and baby groups could understand that.
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« Reply #13 on: March 16, 2021, 04:18:54 pm »

You are correct, there are more odd numbered houses than even numbers, and therefore more fatal fires therein.

I doubt however that the nuttier end of the on line mother and baby groups could understand that.

If they are all Shakespeare buffs, they might think otherwise:

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But that's the Windsor wives, not the online nuttier wives.
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« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2021, 07:04:48 am »

A few hours ago (evening of 13th March), a MerseyRail train hit the buffers at Kirkby.  ....

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The driver of the Merseyrail train which derailed at Kirkby station causing massive damage has been arrested, the ECHO can reveal.

Police and a number of government agencies are investigating the March 13 incident, which saw a Saturday evening service leave the tracks.

The impact, which happened when the train collided with a buffer stop, caused a significant amount of damage with smashed up concrete and other debris. Part of the platform in Kirkby collapsed.

Now, the ECHO has learnt that a 58-year-old man was arrested on suspicion of endangering the safety of the railway.

He was the driver of the 6.35pm Merseyrail service, who was left "shaken up" after the crash and was taken to hospital as a precaution.

I am uneasy with the suspicion being in public prior to full reports and analysis - however, the above is just echoing the news feed.

Thread Split needed ...
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