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[Btline]

Just a polite request - can you please just "reply" rather than "quote".

Damn..... the chain has broken!

[vacman]

the overhead luggage racks on a 150 can hold massive cases, I do work on these units every day of the week so do know what can fit on the overhead racks. Are we not forgetting where all our 158's went on the orders of the DFT^▸ (Department for Transport)???

[Chris from Nailsea]

Just a polite request - can you please just "reply" rather than "quote".

That's a very fair point, John!

As the last 'page' of posts has been created by ever-increasing 'quotes', following one after another, would anyone object if I 'condensed' them, by removing all the blocks of repeated text - just for ease of reading?

 

[Btline]

the overhead luggage racks on a 150 can hold massive cases, I do work on these units every day of the week so do know what can fit on the overhead racks. Are we not forgetting where all our 158's went on the orders of the DFT^▸ (Department for Transport)???

150 racks are some of the best I know. Shame they are dirty!

Can't even put a coat up on an Adelante/Turbostar!

When you put a holdall up on a 158, it always looks as if either the rack is going to snap off, or the bag will slip out!

Why are racks so rubbish on new trains (ok 158s are hardly new, but you know...), especially when luggage space is short (Voyagers)?

[devon_metro]

Voyager were in general, badly designed...

[dog box]

Dont you means Voyagers ARE Badly Designed.........and dont you think Cases that people bring on trains are getting Bigger

[John R]

They were designed (as a verb) some years ago.

Yes, cases are getting bigger. Wheels have a lot to answer for, as they have enabled the trend to mega-size cases.

[swlines]

I think Voyagers were well designed with their internals apart from the horribly oversized toilets in every coach (that or the shop).

The improvements that could be made to the general design would be no underfloor engines, etc.

[smithy]

They were designed (as a verb) some years ago.

Yes, cases are getting bigger. Wheels have a lot to answer for, as they have enabled the trend to mega-size cases.

cases are getting bigger aswell as luggage space on newer trains smaller,voyagers are absolute rubbish turbostars are slightly better.

[Btline]

Voyagers are, without doubt, the WORST trains on the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) rail system.

*They smell inside
*The air conditioning has only three levels: too hot, too cold, or broken
*There are few seats
*Little legroom
*Uncomfortable seats (that are probably bad for your back, as your neck is made to lean forward)
*Little space for luggage
*Your luggage has a better view out of the window than you do - the seats are not alighted to the windows but ALL luggage racks are
*The exterior doors take too long to open and close - not exactly helping Virgin's/XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise))'s poor punctuality
*The internal doors shut on you if you are queuing to alight
*The reservation system frequently breaks/sprouts nonsense
*Too many disabled toilets
*Lots of vibrations
*Blind on the windows, so a selfish person in the airline seat ahead of you can decide to deny you a view out of the window, leaving you to stare at the scratched seat back and the people near you.
*Feel claustrophobic
*Are noisy
*Have no guards' van
*Break down if they get sea water in them
*Overhead racks are bad (see above)
*Many people do not know how to lock the toilet doors, leading to embarrassing moments (I know, it is their fault)
*The shop runs out of bacon rolls

In this list, I have only scrapped the surface, by all means add to the list! The sooner they are put into double formation and redesigned internally the better (or preferably scrapped when HST2 come in!).

[Lee]

*The shop runs out of bacon rolls

I was thinking "could be worse" until you said that......

[swlines]

Voyagers are, without doubt, the WORST trains on the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) rail system.

*They smell inside

Which is supposedly being modded - it's because the loos were designed as being in something that won't move 

*The air conditioning has only three levels: too hot, too cold, or broken

Mention it to the TM^‡(resolve), they can change the internal temperature.

*There are few seats
*Little legroom
*Uncomfortable seats (that are probably bad for your back, as your neck is made to lean forward)

If there were more coaches in the units (blame the SRA^» (Strategic Rail Authority - about) for that) the seating issue would be covered. Little legroom is problem on all modern units today. Uncomfortable seats is due to the RVAR regulations.

*Little space for luggage
*Your luggage has a better view out of the window than you do - the seats are not alighted to the windows but ALL luggage racks are

It's actually proven that some people don't want a view out of a window! For instance glare from the sun can make it harder to work on a laptop.

*The exterior doors take too long to open and close - not exactly helping Virgin's/XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise))'s poor punctuality

Would be quicker if the TM did the close doors themselves...

*The internal doors shut on you if you are queuing to alight

Problem on all modern units again. The HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) do partially have this problem though.

*The reservation system frequently breaks/sprouts nonsense

On the Bournemouth route we tend to have paper reservations as well!!

*Too many disabled toilets

Agreed.

*Lots of vibrations

As in my earlier post, this could be solved by putting in power cars of some description.

*Blind on the windows, so a selfish person in the airline seat ahead of you can decide to deny you a view out of the window, leaving you to stare at the scratched seat back and the people near you.

That's sadly due to the seat layout, which a lot of people prefer insanely.

*Feel claustrophobic
*Are noisy

Not as noisy as a Valenta

*Have no guards' van

What modern units do?

*Break down if they get sea water in them

*Many people do not know how to lock the toilet doors, leading to embarrassing moments (I know, it is their fault)

You forgot the fault where if tilting or going ~110mph+ the lock can release....

*The shop runs out of bacon rolls

On your HST2 note, according to Roger Ford it seems like it's going to be more like a IEP^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) now ... (Intercity EMU^▸ (Electric Multiple Unit) Project)...

[Btline]

Voyagers are, without doubt, the WORST trains on the UK^▸ (United Kingdom) rail system.

*They smell inside

Which is supposedly being modded - it's because the loos were designed as being in something that won't move 

*The air conditioning has only three levels: too hot, too cold, or broken

Mention it to the TM^‡(resolve), they can change the internal temperature.

*There are few seats
*Little legroom
*Uncomfortable seats (that are probably bad for your back, as your neck is made to lean forward)

If there were more coaches in the units (blame the SRA^» (Strategic Rail Authority - about) for that) the seating issue would be covered. Little legroom is problem on all modern units today. Uncomfortable seats is due to the RVAR regulations.

*Little space for luggage
*Your luggage has a better view out of the window than you do - the seats are not alighted to the windows but ALL luggage racks are

It's actually proven that some people don't want a view out of a window! For instance glare from the sun can make it harder to work on a laptop.

*The exterior doors take too long to open and close - not exactly helping Virgin's/XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise))'s poor punctuality

Would be quicker if the TM did the close doors themselves...

*The internal doors shut on you if you are queuing to alight

Problem on all modern units again. The HSTs^▸ (High Speed Train) do partially have this problem though.

*The reservation system frequently breaks/sprouts nonsense

On the Bournemouth route we tend to have paper reservations as well!!

*Too many disabled toilets

Agreed.

*Lots of vibrations

As in my earlier post, this could be solved by putting in power cars of some description.

*Blind on the windows, so a selfish person in the airline seat ahead of you can decide to deny you a view out of the window, leaving you to stare at the scratched seat back and the people near you.

That's sadly due to the seat layout, which a lot of people prefer insanely.

*Feel claustrophobic
*Are noisy

Not as noisy as a Valenta

*Have no guards' van

What modern units do?

*Break down if they get sea water in them

*Many people do not know how to lock the toilet doors, leading to embarrassing moments (I know, it is their fault)

You forgot the fault where if tilting or going ~110mph+ the lock can release....

*The shop runs out of bacon rolls

On your HST2 note, according to Roger Ford it seems like it's going to be more like a IEP^▸ (Intercity Express Program / Project.) now ... (Intercity EMU^▸ (Electric Multiple Unit) Project)...

Well, I agree that some of the above are "modern unit" problems, but they are still problems!

What's that about the door springing open when at 110 mph?

The temp is always bad because you have the heaters at the side blasting heat at your legs, and the air con freezing your body. Or they are both broken.

Most units (even modern ones) have doors that are on automatic sensors so you don't get shut in them.

[swlines]

They do?

None of the 22x variants do, no Desiro variants do, not sure about Electrostars... unless you're talking about external doors - in which case not very many units have those!

[Conner]

They do?

None of the 22x variants do, no Desiro variants do, not sure about Electrostars... unless you're talking about external doors - in which case not very many units have those!

Don't know any that do.
A HST^▸ (High Speed Train) door shut voilently on me the other day just after I triggered the footpad and it quite hurt, alot more than a voyager door..