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« on: April 09, 2021, 06:43:39 »

From the Dorset Echo

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VOLUNTEERS have produced a new video explaining why they are battling to raise money so that work can resume on building a much-needed £240,000 carriage storage shed for the Swanage Railway.

Keeping railway carriages, especially the historic ones under cover, and protected from the ravages of the weather, is important because it reduces the costs of maintaining, repairing and overhauling the vehicles.

The whole business of "old stuff" being saved ... but then being an ongoing headache to look after ... has worried me for years.  On a visit to a different preserved line a number of years back, I blog/commented on the lines of stock apparently rotting in sidings.  I have no answer, just a concern.  Good on the Swanage line and many others in working to provide better storage and maintenance conditions; it's in all party's interests.
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2021, 07:00:16 »

And hopefully protected from the ravages of vandalism.
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2021, 09:07:07 »

It is worth remembering that the significant costs of such buildings can be partialy offset by fitting large PV arrays to them, thereby producing an ongoing income from sale of the eletricity.

Whilst PV arrays can be retrofitted to most types of building, it is generally more economic to do this as part of the design and build process.

Producing green energy might make it slightly easier to obtain planning permission for a new structure.
Coal burning steam locomotives are inherently ungreen, and every oportunity should be taken to "green" other parts of the operation.

Good PR (Public Relations) to be able to state that "we burn XX tons of coal a year to power our trains, but we offset* this by producing low carbon electricity from the roof of our new shed.

*As stated previously, I am very doubtful about schemes that purchase indulgences claim to offset carbon emissions.
I have rather more faith in such schemes if under the same ownership as the carbon emitting activity, and within sight.
Loft insulation for poor farmers in Africa ? unlikely to do much good.
A PV array on station buildings, possibly with meter readings published, is more effective.

Most poor farmers in Africa HAVE NO LOFTS to insulate, and the minority that do have loft spaces would derive no gain from insulating them in a mild climate.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2021, 09:58:59 »


The whole business of "old stuff" being saved ... but then being an ongoing headache to look after ... has worried me for years. 


...and the GWR (Great Western Railway) before you. According to the minutes of the GWR Locomotive, Carriage & Stores Committee:

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21st December 1905

18. Referring to minute No.19 of the 22nd of July 1903 the Locomotive Superintendant reported that the old broad gauge Engines "North Star" and "Lord of the Isles" which occupy much valuable space in the shops at Swindon have been offered to several institutions without success and upon his recommendation the committee approved of the same being broken up."

Later on, however, they did manage to find somewhere to store their old iron:

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12th March 1931

Under circumstances which were represented the Committee approved the presentation, after renovation at a cost not exceeding £65, of the engine "City of Truro" (No 3717) and tender to the London and North Eastern Museum at York, on the understanding they would be returned if required in the future.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2021, 16:13:16 »


The whole business of "old stuff" being saved ... but then being an ongoing headache to look after ... has worried me for years. 


...and the GWR (Great Western Railway) before you. According to the minutes of the GWR Locomotive, Carriage & Stores Committee:

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21st December 1905

18. Referring to minute No.19 of the 22nd of July 1903 the Locomotive Superintendant reported that the old broad gauge Engines "North Star" and "Lord of the Isles" which occupy much valuable space in the shops at Swindon have been offered to several institutions without success and upon his recommendation the committee approved of the same being broken up."

Later on, however, they did manage to find somewhere to store their old iron:

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12th March 1931

Under circumstances which were represented the Committee approved the presentation, after renovation at a cost not exceeding £65, of the engine "City of Truro" (No 3717) and tender to the London and North Eastern Museum at York, on the understanding they would be returned if required in the future.
Source: https://www.devboats.co.uk/

"Old Broad Gauges" being broken up?.......that's sad news..........I shall miss his contribution to the forum, and the Pullman will take a huge financial hit.............as will Port importers and beef farmers at this difficult time.

It's perhaps indicative of modern society that no Institutions would take him!

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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2021, 20:12:33 »

I am not aware of any near term plans to break me up  Smiley

It must however be said that if I was an horse, that the vet would probably shoot me. (unsound of hoof etc.)
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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