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« Reply #30 on: May 08, 2021, 06:20:57 am »

And TPE (Trans Pennine Express) services such as Newcastle to Liverpool now (06:20) starting to show up as "delayed" then "cancelled".
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« Reply #31 on: May 08, 2021, 06:40:18 am »

All GWRs (Great Western Railway) are affected as well.
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« Reply #32 on: May 08, 2021, 06:49:49 am »

I presume that many Great Western Railway (GWR (Great Western Railway)) services are also 5 car only.
These are not of course short formations, but show the merits of flexible train length.

They should have kept High Speed Train's (HST (High Speed Train))s, not indefinitely of course, but for a few years just in case something like this happened.

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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #33 on: May 08, 2021, 06:52:53 am »

Looked on Dawlish cams and 1A71 went through as a 9 car 802  7 minutes late at 06.50.
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« Reply #34 on: May 08, 2021, 06:56:22 am »

All GWRs (Great Western Railway) are affected as well.

Indeed - reported ahead of the flood of other TOCs (Train Operating Company) ...

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Cancellations to services at London Paddington
Due to more trains than usual needing repairs at the same time at London Paddington fewer trains are able to run on some lines.
Train services running to and from this station have been cancelled. Disruption is expected until the end of the day.
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Owing to the short notice unavailability of carriages which form our High Speed train services there will be no train services or alternative means of transport available for throughout journeys, in either direction, on the following routes :-
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London Paddington - Swindon - Bath Spa - Bristol Temple Meads.
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London Paddington - Swindon - Bristol Parkway - Newport - Cardiff Central - Swansea.
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London Paddington - Reading - Taunton - Exeter St Davids - Plymouth - Penzance.
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London Paddington - Reading - Oxford - Evesham - Worcester - Great Malvern - Hereford.
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London Paddington - Reading - Swindon - Gloucester - Cheltenham Spa.

Chosen headline of "Cancellation to services at London Paddington" rather confirms how London-centric thinking is, and noting "no alternative means of transport"; at short notice, that last seems brutal but may be honest - LNER» (London North Eastern Railway - about) are offering some limited buses but I wonder how that will turn out.

I presume that many GWR services are also 5 car only.
These are not of course short formations, but show the merits of flexible train length.

They should have kept HSTs (High Speed Train), not indefinitely of course, but for a few years just in case something like this happened.

Hmmm ... probably a massive expense with unlikely any payback.

We know there are risk assessments and contingent plans for all sorts of scenarios.  Is there such a plan for a complete fleet (class) being taken out of service - not the first time, after all - I remember something on Heathrow Express ...
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« Reply #35 on: May 08, 2021, 06:58:04 am »

Looked on Dawlish cams and 1A71 went through as a 9 car 802  7 minutes late at 06.50.

Already on the line when the "stop order" came out??

Edit to add ... it was 05:00 off Laira - though ran late.  06:00 off Laira - next train - cancelled.
Interesting to see if it runs all the way to London ...
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« Reply #36 on: May 08, 2021, 06:59:13 am »

GWR (Great Western Railway) advice is now "do not attempt to travel" on most of their long distance services.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #37 on: May 08, 2021, 07:24:51 am »

Sounds pretty serious. Shame so many High Speed Train (HST (High Speed Train)) sets have already been cut up at Sim’s Newport  Sad

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« Reply #38 on: May 08, 2021, 07:31:24 am »

Sounds pretty serious. Shame so many HST (High Speed Train) sets have already been cut up at Sim’s Newport  Sad

Serious indeed - but do we yet know if it's going to be something to which is going to be long running, and will the problem remain as "deep" as all stop until whatever it is has been either checked or fixed on every train?   Noting that the IET (Intercity Express Train) that set of this morning early from Plymouth - at last look. was running all the way to London and at scheduled speed
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« Reply #39 on: May 08, 2021, 07:36:39 am »

Presumably Hitachi will be covering the cost of hiring alternative rolling stock, and buses. And yes I know that alternatives are limited, but every little helps.
And Hitachi will of course be applying for some form of emergency derogation to permit use of heritage stock on the less busy parts of the national network.
Use preserved steamers and mark 2 coaches on the branch lines and in the far West, thereby freeing up castles, turbos, pacers and the like for the more intensively used routes nearer London.

Is Tornado available ?
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2021, 07:44:17 am »

Serious indeed - but do we yet know if it's going to be something to which is going to be long running, and will the problem remain as "deep" as all stop until whatever it is has been either checked or fixed on every train?   Noting that the IET (Intercity Express Train) that set of this morning early from Plymouth - at last look. was running all the way to London and at scheduled speed
Looking like sets are being inspected and released for service if the issue that’s been raised isn’t found on that particular set.
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« Reply #41 on: May 08, 2021, 08:05:14 am »

Is Tornado available ?

https://www.a1steam.com/where-tornado-is-now/
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Next scheduled run 22nd May.

Was you question serious  Grin
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« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2021, 08:18:18 am »

Is Tornado available ?

https://www.a1steam.com/where-tornado-is-now/
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Tornado is currently stabled at Stewarts Lane.

Next scheduled run 22nd May.

Was you question serious  Grin

Semi serious.
If the IET (Intercity Express Train) problems carry on for more than a day or two, then yes consideration should be given to use of Tornado, Flying Scotsman, and the like to provide a limited service.
I doubt that enough charter stock is available for anything like a full service, but even a few services are better than doing nothing.
Much more likely though is simply ongoing advice not to travel.

I expect that disruption will be ongoing. Todays level of cancellations suggests a more serious problem than was the case initially. Even if only a handful of units have cracks at present, there is a risk of future cracks suggesting a need for frequent examinations.
And even if the cracks are considered minor and non dangerous, they are liable to get worse, again requiring frequent examinations and withdrawal for repairs when the cracks get worse.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #43 on: May 08, 2021, 08:26:49 am »

Now being reported on BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) news at 08:26am saturday morning
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« Reply #44 on: May 08, 2021, 08:27:02 am »

Being covered on BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) News now.

Virtually no notice for those intending to travel and no alternatives provided

Another self inflicted injury and a dreadful advert for GWR (Great Western Railway)/the railways as they attempt to recover some business and attract new customers - these trains are, by railway standards, brand new.

This type of regular chaos is one of the reasons why the car will always be king.
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