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Question: When do you expect GWR (Great Western Railway) IETs (Intercity Express Train) to return to full availability.  (Voting closed: June 08, 2021, 10:51:13 am)
By mid June. - 3 (11.1%)
Between one and three months - 4 (14.8%)
Between three and six months - 5 (18.5%)
Six months to a year - 10 (37%)
Between one and two years. - 5 (18.5%)
Never ! Alternative stock required. - 0 (0%)
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« on: May 11, 2021, 10:51:13 am »

By "full availability" I mean not a perfect service, but no worse than that provided before the present crisis.
No routine cancellations or short workings, with almost all trains full length when booked to be.
Commonsense to be applied in defining "full availability"
Redefining "normal service as being say half of the pre crisis level does NOT count.
Nor does redefining 5 car units from London as being "normal"

I respectfully urge keeping most comments in the main IET (Intercity Express Train) thread so as to keep the discussion in one place. News about cracks, repairs, consequences, and alternative rolling stock all belong in the existing thread.

Suggest limiting postings  in THIS THREAD to directly related matters.
E.G. "I believe that XX months would be reasonable because of YY"
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2021, 11:14:06 am »

Hmmm ... great minds thing alike.    We seem to have two similar polls.

See also http://www.passenger.chat/24987 which is asking about SERVICES returning to near normal rather than IETs (Intercity Express Train) specifically.
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2021, 06:20:58 am »

An update from the Bedwyn Trains team, who's service remains severely impacted ... this is part of a long report  to a public list looking at the issues arising from the current changes from plan at Kintbury, Hungerford and Bedwyn, and suggestions of how to tune them to make them work better for the customers.

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We asked when will the IETs (Intercity Express Train) all be fixed. GWR (Great Western Railway) can't commit to this as it is down to Hitachi to fix the trains
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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2021, 03:30:56 pm »

It is now "mid June" and GWR (Great Western Railway) IETs (Intercity Express Train) have NOT returned to full availability.

I appreciate that IET supporters may argue that "covid mode" IS the new normal and that a near normal service is being run by that definition.
I did however state in the O/P that "redefining a reduced service as being the new normal does not count"

Neither does deciding that half length trains are the new normal.

I am not aware of any timetable for repairs.
There must be some risk of the cracks worsening and of additional units being stopped as a result.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2021, 03:57:51 pm »

It’ll be many months- probably why only 10% voted for the ‘mid June’ option in your poll.  I didn’t vote as I considered your definitions too open to interpretation, and it almost felt as if it were designed so you could add later posts such as the one you just have.

What is clear is that availability is far better than you were expecting in your posts during the 11 day near stoppage of the fleet.  A ‘near normal’ service is running, based on the May timetable that was published before the cracks were known about.

There will continue to be good days and bad, and short formations will continue to happen, though in the majority of cases there are still not enough passengers travelling for that to be a problem on the majority of services affected.

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« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2021, 04:06:16 pm »

You also have no clear idea of how many are out owing to the cracks problem & how many are out for other reasons (that would have happened in 'normal' running.....)

Can we have less whatif-ery - this is exactly that. Hitachi/GWR (Great Western Railway) have no requirement to keep you up to speed with exactly the number of units out owing to this problem, so you are simply guessing
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« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2021, 06:32:53 pm »

The present situation is clearly not a "return to full availability" which was the question asked in the poll.

It requires no detailed knowledge of the numbers stopped due to cracks, and the numbers stopped for either reasons, to state this.
Even if the numbers of short formations are due to faults other than cracks, that is still a very poor performance for new and expensive trains.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
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« Reply #7 on: June 15, 2021, 07:59:46 pm »

By "full availability" I mean not a perfect service, but no worse than that provided before the present crisis.

I respectfully urge keeping most comments in the main IET (Intercity Express Train) thread so as to keep the discussion in one place. News about cracks, repairs, consequences, and alternative rolling stock all belong in the existing thread.

Suggest limiting postings  in THIS THREAD to directly related matters.

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It requires no detailed knowledge of the numbers stopped due to cracks, and the numbers stopped for either reasons, to state this.
Even if the numbers of short formations are due to faults other than cracks, that is still a very poor performance for new and expensive trains.

But doesn't gel with your first post.
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