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« on: June 09, 2021, 10:55:23 am »

I am not about to set it up ... but there are times I wonder if we should have a special area for level crossings!  These are all out-of-area stories but have the ring of being learning opportunities for us

https://www.globalrailwayreview.com/article/124670/danger-photography-level-crossings/

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A deadly shot: The danger of photography at level crossings

Megan Drayton, Foundation Manager of TrackSAFE Foundation New Zealand, discusses how the increasing popularity of rail tracks and level crossings as a fashionable backdrop in the age of modern photography, creative media and even selfies is seeing lives put at risk.

https://www.sussexlive.co.uk/news/sussex-news/shocking-cctv-shows-girl-lying-5504252

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Shocking CCTV (Closed Circuit Tele Vision) shows girl lying in middle of railway tracks at Horsham level crossing

A shocking picture showing a girl lying in the middle of a railway line where trains hurtle past at 85mph has been released as Network Rail appealed to children to keep away from the tracks.

The teenager appears to be casually using her mobile phone while another girl stands next to her, despite the incredible dangers.

https://www.cravenherald.co.uk/news/19355598.inaudible-train-horn-closes-cononley-crossing/

Story - the IET (Intercity Express Train) that passes at 06:19 and 06:59 ...

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‘Inaudible’ train horn closes Cononley crossing

THE closure of a well-used pedestrian rail crossing in Cononley has been extended to over a year, because there’s a slim chance people using it might not hear the horn of one early-morning train per day, a resident has said.

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« Reply #1 on: June 09, 2021, 06:47:06 pm »

Why is this only considered to be a problem with IETs (Intercity Express Train) ? Surely the horns on these trains comply with all the relevant standards ?

If the horns are NOT compliant, then they should be rectified. (if the department for transport specified the wrong horns, then whoever made the decision should resign. If Hitachi fitted horns that do not comply with specifications then they should rectify this at their expense.)

If, as I suspect to be more likely, the horns are in fact compliant then the crossing should be opened forthwith.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #2 on: June 09, 2021, 09:32:47 pm »

Why is this only considered to be a problem with IETs (Intercity Express Train) ? Surely the horns on these trains comply with all the relevant standards ?

If the horns are NOT compliant, then they should be rectified. (if the department for transport specified the wrong horns, then whoever made the decision should resign. If Hitachi fitted horns that do not comply with specifications then they should rectify this at their expense.)

If, as I suspect to be more likely, the horns are in fact compliant then the crossing should be opened forthwith.

For perfectly understandable reasons, Network Rail (as a rail infrastructure and safety provider) don't like level crossings and want to reduce or eliminate them where possible.  However, there's sometimes a feeling that they will look for any excuse / try it on and see what they can do to remove a crossing without taking an honest, measured, properly consulted and impartial consideration of the uses and requirements of the none-rail user of the crossings.   This is just one story in this thread - I recall Deganwy, Tal-y-Cafn, Angelstein Wharf, Westbury avoider and others where I would question their impartiality, and so many others where people have lost their lives - between Trowbridge and Westbury, and between Kemble and Stroud just locally to me.



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« Reply #3 on: June 09, 2021, 10:05:45 pm »

Network Rail...honest, measured, properly consulted and impartial consideration...

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« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2021, 02:53:06 pm »

Perhaps all level crossings on routes served by IETs (Intercity Express Train) should be closed ?
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2021, 05:04:11 pm »

The article makes no mention of IETs (Intercity Express Train) which don’t operate over that crossing.  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2021, 06:03:19 pm »

The article makes no mention of IETs (Intercity Express Train) which don’t operate over that crossing.  Wink

Correct - it's an Azuma (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER)

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It transpired the reason for the closure was because the horn signal on the Azuma 800 train, which is used on the Skipton to London Kings Cross service, was deemed inaudible from the crossing. This particular train only passes the Cononley crossing twice each day, both times early in the morning.

It comes out from the depot in Leeds to pick up passengers at Skipton for the 6-56 am Skipton-Kings Cross service, passing through Cononley on its way to Skipton and again shortly after on its way back to Leeds. But because people using the Cononley pedestrian crossing might not hear the horn on this one early morning train, the popular crossing was fenced off.

The alternative route for pedestrians involves walking up Crosshills Road into the village and turning right onto the footpath running past the cricket club. Although the distance to reach the railway station is about the same, this route has two fairly steep inclines, limited visibility, no pavements for most of it length and a history of problems with speeding traffic.

My apologies for introducing the red green herring - I did that amateur jorno thing of calling all class 800 trains by their local name!
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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2021, 06:49:44 am »

Level crossing stories ... https://www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/flying-scotsman-network-rail-issues-20834779 I note

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Mark Killick, Network Rail Wessex route director, said: "The railway is extremely dangerous if people misuse it. It's full of both obvious and hidden dangers, which carry risks of catastrophic injuries or even death."

He added: "It is never acceptable to go onto the track for any reason. Come and enjoy the spectacle of these iconic trains, but please do so from a safe place."

His context is very different and he and everyone else quoted is 100% right in condemning trespassing and creating dangers photographing Flying Scotsman, Tornado and others lineside as they pass, but his statement seems to suggest that the legitimate use of foot crossing is not acceptable too.

I am not standing up for idiots who put themselves and others in danger, and who set a precedent / example for those who know no better, but I am concerned at the wording that appears to condemn the legal use of crossing such as this one:



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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2021, 09:13:46 am »

I think the point being made is that these crossings have only one purpose - to cross the line from one side to the orher, without stopping - including to take photos.

Photos are fine from outside the railway boundaryif course, eg from where your example was taken
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2021, 11:30:50 am »

I think the point being made is that these crossings have only one purpose - to cross the line from one side to the orher, without stopping - including to take photos.

Photos are fine from outside the railway boundaryif course, eg from where your example was taken

I'm sure that is the point that was supposed to be made.  However, it's not what the Network Rail person said - he threw out the very reason these crossings exist and can be properly used with the stupid things that should not be done. Almost as if Network Rail would rather not have them used at all.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2021, 12:09:01 pm »

Absolutely that's what they want - and if money was no object, they'd all be replaced with bridges/underpasses.

In the meantime....and people (including those that DO know better - so deliberately), will continue to misuse them.
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« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2021, 10:43:36 am »

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) reports on toddler posed to be photographed on level crossing in what I would describe as verging on child abuse.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57738291
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2021, 05:25:54 pm »

This just released by Network Rail.  I had to watch it twice to make sure that I had actually seen what I had seen.
What the train driver must have felt I wouldn't like to imagine.

https://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/cab-cctv-films-car-inches-away-from-hitting-train-on-level-crossing?fbclid=IwAR1FEKYODx9nBO_sJW3XvLo7Ao8O8Lla7YGTv90OR1NQ81PpOP5Lv64Kues
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« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2021, 07:58:01 am »

And on a different crossing - from the Strathspey Herald

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Network Rail has been accused of acting in a high-handed manner after locking the gates to the public without any consultation at a level crossing in Dalwhinnie serving locals and hill-goers.

Community leaders and businesses are angered Ben Alder car park is now out of bounds, and fear it could hit visitor numbers and income in the small village.

They believe many pedestrians and cyclists will continue to use the point to cross the Highland main rail line – as proved the case during a recent temporary closure – and put themselves in greater danger following the move on Wednesday.
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« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2021, 10:16:09 am »

Re the Burneside incident, not trying to excuse the car driver at all, but ensuring there are adequate sight lines for both car drivers and train drivers (at this type of crossing) is essential.  So the height of the hedge on the train’s left and the car’s right should be maintained accordingly. 

Sight line issues are often mentioned in investigations into uncontrolled crossing incidents.
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