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« on: July 19, 2021, 06:02:26 pm »

Split off from http://www.passenger.chat/25230 - grahame

As an aside, why is the explanation for "XC" styled as "(Cross Country franchise trains (now run by Arriva))"?

Why not simply "(CrossCountry Trains)" seeing as that's their name?

"Cross Country franchise trains" is pretty poor grammar.

Also "now run by Arriva" implies this is a new development. Arriva have run the franchise since 2007. So why the "now"?!

It bugs me every time I see it.

It is as annoying as the road sign that states 'New Roal Layout' that has been up for so long the paint is peeling off.
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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2021, 10:16:08 pm »

As an aside, why is the explanation for "XC" styled as "(Cross Country franchise trains (now run by Arriva))"?

As others have suggested, "New Road" syndrome.   Here in Melksham, the New Inn has closed down recently and is boarded up ...

I will jump in and put a lick of paint on that expansion.
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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2021, 10:41:26 pm »

As an aside, why is the explanation for "XC" styled as "(Cross Country franchise trains (now run by Arriva))"?

As others have suggested, "New Road" syndrome.   Here in Melksham, the New Inn has closed down recently and is boarded up ...

I will jump in and put a lick of paint on that expansion.

Please dont tell me that's the New Inn in Berryfield. I will have to rewrite some of our bus timetable proposals...
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2021, 10:48:55 pm »

As an aside, why is the explanation for "XC" styled as "(Cross Country franchise trains (now run by Arriva))"?

As others have suggested, "New Road" syndrome.   Here in Melksham, the New Inn has closed down recently and is boarded up ...

I will jump in and put a lick of paint on that expansion.

Please dont tell me that's the New Inn in Berryfield. I will have to rewrite some of our bus timetable proposals...


Why? Most bus operators have a few stops named after pubs that closed - or changed their names - or were demolished - more than twenty years ago.
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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2021, 10:52:13 pm »

As an aside, why is the explanation for "XC" styled as "(Cross Country franchise trains (now run by Arriva))"?

As others have suggested, "New Road" syndrome.   Here in Melksham, the New Inn has closed down recently and is boarded up ...

I will jump in and put a lick of paint on that expansion.

Please dont tell me that's the New Inn in Berryfield. I will have to rewrite some of our bus timetable proposals...


Why? Most bus operators have a few stops named after pubs that closed - or changed their names - or were demolished - more than twenty years ago.

I know - To be honest that was more aimed in jest at grahame in reference to the many Berryfield related bus service shenanigans we've had  Grin
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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2021, 11:20:15 pm »

As an aside, why is the explanation for "XC" styled as "(Cross Country franchise trains (now run by Arriva))"?

As others have suggested, "New Road" syndrome.   Here in Melksham, the New Inn has closed down recently and is boarded up ...

I will jump in and put a lick of paint on that expansion.

Please dont tell me that's the New Inn in Berryfield. I will have to rewrite some of our bus timetable proposals...


Why? Most bus operators have a few stops named after pubs that closed - or changed their names - or were demolished - more than twenty years ago.

I know - To be honest that was more aimed in jest at grahame in reference to the many Berryfield related bus service shenanigans we've had  Grin

Yeah, I got it.   I think the Frome folks have a few such stops in their town. And certain stops I wonder - "Stone Wharf" at Bathford.

Options at Berryfield:
1. Rename the Stop.
2. Get someone to buy the place and re-open it
3. Live with it as a piece of history.

I fancy option 2 ... the Wilts and Berks canal will be opening past here in a handful of years at it will make a lovely waterside pub. Housing around too will pay for the canal and bring all year local customer.  No other waterside pub for quite a distance ... "New Cut Inn"
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2021, 03:25:02 am »

As an aside, why is the explanation for "XC" styled as "(Cross Country franchise trains (now run by Arriva))"?

As others have suggested, "New Road" syndrome.   Here in Melksham, the New Inn has closed down recently and is boarded up ...

I will jump in and put a lick of paint on that expansion.

Please dont tell me that's the New Inn in Berryfield. I will have to rewrite some of our bus timetable proposals...


Why? Most bus operators have a few stops named after pubs that closed - or changed their names - or were demolished - more than twenty years ago.

For some years after we moved to Bath, our local bus service had its destination on the front of the bus as Kingsway Post Office. Not only did this post office not exist, and hadn't done so for some years before we moved there, but the building it had been in was just a private house that nobody would have guessed had ever been a post office just from looking at it.
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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2021, 08:22:26 am »

Pretty much totally unrelated to the thread - but anyway, a little tale. When i started work for a big company based in London in the early 70s, anything that could not be found was always said to be 'probably in storage above the ABC shop in Mornington Crescent'. One day a colleague and I set off to investigate the archives. The address of the one-time shop in Mornington Crescent was a WW2 bomb site still being used as a NCP carpark. Provided an answer to no end of questions over the next 35 years that I worked there.
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« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2021, 04:06:51 pm »

The nearest bus stop to where I am presently visiting in Leicester is still referred to by many locals as 'the tram terminus'. A tram last ran there in 1947.
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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2021, 06:57:07 pm »

Both Turnham’s Farm and the no longer used Sheraton Park bus destinations in Reading, were names simply used by the bus company and not what the places were ever referred to by those that lived there. Turnham’s farm is the name of a recreation ground which the 33 route that started in the late 70’s never reached until some point in the last decade.

To Reading Transport staff, THE terminus is the former trolley terminus at Northumberland avenue, a road generally referred to as ‘the avenue’.

The 17 route is still called the mainline, a reference to its tram and trolley days.
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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2021, 07:57:10 pm »

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Both Turnham’s Farm and the no longer used Sheraton Park bus destinations in Reading, were names simply used by the bus company and not what the places were ever referred to by those that lived there. Turnham’s farm is the name of a recreation ground which the 33 route that started in the late 70’s never reached until some point in the last decade.

Young man - some of us are old enough to rememeber Turnham's Farm at the junction of City Road and Little Heath Road! I think it was developed in the early 1970s. I cannot remember if buses started before the farm was developed (I'll take RG's word for it!) and the housing estate that was built was I think known as the Turnham Farm estate in its early days.
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« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2021, 10:53:42 pm »

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Both Turnham’s Farm and the no longer used Sheraton Park bus destinations in Reading, were names simply used by the bus company and not what the places were ever referred to by those that lived there. Turnham’s farm is the name of a recreation ground which the 33 route that started in the late 70’s never reached until some point in the last decade.

Young man - some of us are old enough to rememeber Turnham's Farm at the junction of City Road and Little Heath Road! I think it was developed in the early 1970s. I cannot remember if buses started before the farm was developed (I'll take RG's word for it!) and the housing estate that was built was I think known as the Turnham Farm estate in its early days.

The Turnhams's farm buildings were at the junction of City Road and Little Heath Road. Its lands extended behind the cottages along both sides of City Road from the Fox and Hounds to the west side of Little Heath Road were the recreation ground can now be found. The farm was developed over a number of years and the bus service started part way through. I lived in City road as a child and watched the farm building being demolished.
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2021, 11:17:26 pm »

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Both Turnham’s Farm and the no longer used Sheraton Park bus destinations in Reading, were names simply used by the bus company and not what the places were ever referred to by those that lived there. Turnham’s farm is the name of a recreation ground which the 33 route that started in the late 70’s never reached until some point in the last decade.

Young man - some of us are old enough to rememeber Turnham's Farm at the junction of City Road and Little Heath Road! I think it was developed in the early 1970s. I cannot remember if buses started before the farm was developed (I'll take RG's word for it!) and the housing estate that was built was I think known as the Turnham Farm estate in its early days.

The Turnhams's farm buildings were at the junction of City Road and Little Heath Road. Its lands extended behind the cottages along both sides of City Road from the Fox and Hounds to the west side of Little Heath Road were the recreation ground can now be found. The farm was developed over a number of years and the bus service started part way through. I lived in City road as a child and watched the farm building being demolished.

Looking at newspapers, the name Turnham's (or Turnham) Farm is absent in the late 1960s when the sale of the farm and developers' first proposals must have happened. I think the land was split so each developer chose a more local name. But once Wimpey were selling houses in 1970 they were using the name, and it was adopted by the new residents, probably preferring it to a more fanciful developer's name that no-one else had heard of.
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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2021, 07:29:03 am »

The Turnham’s Farm house is still there at the junction of City and Little Heath road. The original 33 terminus was short of this using Barton Road as a u-turn, without any stops on it. I grew up in this area and nobody referred to it as Turnham’s Farm. Only the Rec was called that. The route was one of the first Coporation routes to leave the borough, with the original intention being that the estate at the top, the Bird’s estate and the estate around Hilden’s drive (which is half in and out) becoming part of the borough eventually. This never happened

As far as name changes of stops are concerned, I like the history involved as to finding out why particular stops have particular names. It’s a nice historical nod, like underground stations named after pubs in London.
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2021, 09:18:22 am »

The Turnham’s Farm house is still there at the junction of City and Little Heath road. The original 33 terminus was short of this using Barton Road as a u-turn, without any stops on it. I grew up in this area and nobody referred to it as Turnham’s Farm. Only the Rec was called that. The route was one of the first Coporation routes to leave the borough, with the original intention being that the estate at the top, the Bird’s estate and the estate around Hilden’s drive (which is half in and out) becoming part of the borough eventually. This never happened

As far as name changes of stops are concerned, I like the history involved as to finding out why particular stops have particular names. It’s a nice historical nod, like underground stations named after pubs in London.

The house still standing was not the farm house, it was "The White House". Another example of places or buildings changing names.

When the 33 service first started it was run with a crewed bus and was reversed into Bitterne Avenue to return back into Reading, Barton Road was still a building site at the time. When the service changed to single manned vehicles it was able to use Barton road to return.
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