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Author Topic: Non-Turbo train passing Sandhurst today (07/02/21)  (Read 4298 times)
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« on: February 07, 2021, 01:40:21 pm »

While I was walking past Sandhurst station this morning I heard a train that definitely didn't sound like a Turbo and just managed to catch a glimpse of what looked like an XC train travelling towards Reading. It's the first time I've seen something other than a Turbo on the line in ages.

I found this entry in RTT» (Real Time Trains - website): https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C82784/2021-02-07/detailed which corresponds with the timing.

I thought the Southampton to Piccadilly service normally go via Basingstoke. Is this route a regular service, or has it been diverted for some reason?

Are there any other non-Turbo services that currently use this part of the North Downs Line?
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« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2021, 02:02:20 pm »

It's a diversionary route - used when engineering works are taking place on the usual route via Basingstoke, or if there's other problems.  It can be months between being used, and then used quite frequently when work is on.  There's usually the once daily XC service to and from Guildford that uses that route (though not since the Covid timetable), and an ECS (Empty Coaching Stock) Voyager service goes that way daily in each direction to maintain drivers route knowledge.
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« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2021, 02:58:13 pm »

From Crosscountry
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Saturday & Sunday
Saturday. Trains will divert not to call at Winchester and
Southampton Airport Parkway. Journey times will be
extended by approximately 45 minutes. Sunday. Trains
will divert not to call at Basingstoke and Southampton
Airport Parkway. Journey times will be extended by one
hour. Rail replacement road transport will run between
Reading, Basingstoke and Winchester on Sunday.
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The lines between Basingstoke and Winchester will be closed all
weekend.
On Sunday, the lines between Winchester and
Southampton Central will also be closed for maintenance work.
CrossCountry services will be affected by this work all weekend.
Please see their publicity for details.
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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2021, 03:07:55 pm »

It's a diversionary route - used when engineering works are taking place on the usual route via Basingstoke, or if there's other problems.  It can be months between being used, and then used quite frequently when work is on.  There's usually the once daily XC service to and from Guildford that uses that route (though not since the Covid timetable), and an ECS (Empty Coaching Stock) Voyager service goes that way daily in each direction to maintain drivers route knowledge.

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Saturday & Sunday
Saturday. Trains will divert not to call at Winchester and
Southampton Airport Parkway. Journey times will be
extended by approximately 45 minutes. Sunday. Trains
will divert not to call at Basingstoke and Southampton
Airport Parkway. Journey times will be extended by one
hour. Rail replacement road transport will run between
Reading, Basingstoke and Winchester on Sunday.
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The lines between Basingstoke and Winchester will be closed all
weekend.
On Sunday, the lines between Winchester and
Southampton Central will also be closed for maintenance work.
CrossCountry services will be affected by this work all weekend.
Please see their publicity for details.

Thanks both for that information. I will have to remember to check for similar diversions in future and be ready to take some photos. I did find one photo I took back in May 2006 just to the west of the station, of a similar train but with a Virgin logo at that time. Unfortunately I wasn't quick enough so it's a bit blurred and there are several branches in the way Sad
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« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2021, 04:07:53 pm »

You need to look for a closure in the Basingstoke station area, because if the West of England line is available then XC would be able to reach Southampton via Andover and Romsey as it’s quicker.

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« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2021, 06:08:28 pm »

You need to look for a closure in the Basingstoke station area, because if the West of England line is available then XC would be able to reach Southampton via Andover and Romsey as it’s quicker.
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The Guildford diversion was in use today, but yesterday the Andover route was in use. That's from ther EAS:
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SWR» (South Western Railway - about): ON FRIDAY NIGHT, 1B01 TO TERMINATE AT
BASINGSTOKE. WEYMOUTH SERVICES TO
DIVERT VIA GUILDFORD AND HAVANT ALL
WEEKEND. ON SATURDAY, A SHUTTLE SERVICE
WILL OPERATE BETWEEN SOUTHAMPTON AND
PORTSMOUTH TO WINCHESTER. RAIL
REPLACEMENT ROAD SERVICES TO OPERATE
BETWEEN SOUTHAMPTON
CENTRAL/WINCHESTER AND BASINGSTOKE.

XC: ON SATURDAY, BOURNEMOUTH SERVICES
TO DIVERT VIA ANDOVER & ROMSEY AND
REVERSE AT SOUTHAMPTON CENTRAL.
NEWCASTLE SERVICES TO START AND
TERMINATE AT READING. ON SUNDAY,
BOURNEMOUTH SERVICES TO DIVERT VIA
GUILDFORD & HAVANT. ECS (Empty Coaching Stock) TO DIVERT VIA
JUBILEE SIDINGS. SHUNTER TO BE PROVIDED.

GWR (Great Western Railway): ON SUNDAY, 5O81 TO BE DIVERTED VIA
NETLEY & SOUTHAMPTON CENTRAL

DB» (Deutsche Bahn - German State Railway - about) CARGO: ON SATURDAY, EASTERN AND
WESTERN DOCKS TRAFFIC TO DIVERT VIA
ANDOVER & ROMSEY. ON SUNDAY, 6M38 & 6O38
TO DIVERT VIA GUILDFORD AND HAVANT.

GBRf: ON SATURDAY, WESTERN DOCKS TRAFFIC
TO DIVERT VIA ANDOVER & ROMSEY. ON
SUNDAY, 4Y19 AND 4Y81 WILL NOT RUN.

FREIGHTLINER: ON SATURDAY, ALL TRAFFIC TO
DIVERT VIA SOUTHAMPTON, EASTLEIGH,
ROMSEY & ANDOVER.

And that's an up-to-date one. In the past the EAS was complicated to download as a huge zip file, the only alternative being a PDF relying on automation features that never worked for me. But now there's a PDF per route per year. You still need to know what you are looking for (as well as how to read the tables in the file) of course:
This is the "Operational Rules" page on the NR» (Network Rail - home page) web site.
Look down the page and click on "EAS 2021" (or "EAS 2022" for next year)
Choose V4 (I think it's just more recent that V2 ... but who knows?)
The file names start with a short version of the route name - WR for Western, WX for Wessex - and you want the one that ends with  "V7" (the big one).

Note that, strictly speaking, the EAS is a draft for discussion not the final plan That's why it has "Superseded by CPPP" stamped across it - that being the "Confirmed Period Possession Plan". In theory that's frozen 26 weeks in advance, but the current Wessex one was last edited on Wednesday.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2021, 03:10:18 pm »

Finally caught sight of a non-turbo today  Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2021, 04:41:19 pm »

I've noticed some discussion on RailUK forums which said that on several days this week, COLAS drivers have been out in 66850 doing route learning, as they will be the crews that will be carrying out the FFR (Fault Free Running) of the class 769 units.

The numbers on the cab doors are not very clear, but I assume that is the loco in my photos from yesterday.



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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2021, 11:00:18 am »

CrossCountry trains from Southampton are again being diverted via Guildford today.

I've attached a couple photos of one of them, taken from the footbridge in Little Sandhurst.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G29900/2021-09-26/detailed
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