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« on: August 18, 2021, 02:56:29 »

Here we go again ... the August indicators, publicity, speculation, criticism of what fare rises we can expect in January 2022

From Berkshire Live amongst others.

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Train passengers will get an indication today, Wednesday 18 August, of how much ticket prices may rise, amid calls for fares to be frozen.

The cap on the annual increase in most regulated rail fares is normally linked to the previous July’s Retail Prices Index (RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context))) measure of inflation.

This year’s figure will be announced by the Office for National Statistics at 7am, with economic forecasts suggesting it will be around 3.6 per cent.

Rail fares are usually increased every January. But the coronavirus pandemic meant this year’s increase was delayed until March 1.

Ticket prices in England and Wales rose by an average of around 2.6 per cent, representing RPI for July 2020 plus one percentage point.

The Scottish Government imposed smaller rises of 1.6 per cent and 0.6 per cent for peak and off-peak travel respectively.

IMHO (in my humble opinion) - it would be a really good week for The Government to announce something that's a gesture to encouraging traffic - a fig leaf to passengers.  Sadly, I would be amazed if they follow that suggestion.
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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2021, 07:07:23 »

Rail fares rise every year.
Excise duty on road fuel is frozen every year.

What happened to the climate emergency ?
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2021, 07:27:27 »

Rail fares rise every year.
Excise duty on road fuel is frozen every year.

What happened to the climate emergency ?

The climate emergency is subservient to the need to be re-elected at the next general election. Power corrupts.
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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2021, 07:37:51 »

One part of the equation is here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58254000
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« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2021, 07:43:52 »

One part of the equation is here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58254000

But the government say they will not use this to set rail fare rises in 2022!
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« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2021, 07:51:04 »

Rail fares rise every year.
Excise duty on road fuel is frozen every year.

What happened to the climate emergency ?

The climate emergency is subservient to the need to be re-elected at the next general election. Power corrupts.

And to think I rely on you for the sunnier, less cynical point of view  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2021, 08:17:54 »

Rail fares rise every year.
Excise duty on road fuel is frozen every year.

What happened to the climate emergency ?

The climate emergency is subservient to the need to be re-elected at the next general election. Power corrupts.

Demand for fuel is virtually inelastic and price has very little effect on it.

All you achieve by increasing it is penalising those on lower incomes as it is extremely regressive.

None of the major parties made any proposal to increase fuel duties in 2015 or 2017 so it would appear not to be an electoral issue.

That said, an above inflation rise in rail fares would seem to be utter madness in the current climate where demand is already falling through the floor.
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« Reply #7 on: August 18, 2021, 08:27:32 »

One part of the equation is here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58254000

But the government say they will not use this to set rail fare rises in 2022!

RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context))% is still used I believe, but that measure is no longer an official measure & not released by ONS» (Office for National Statistics - website), but calculated separately
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« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2021, 09:58:35 »

One part of the equation is here https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-58254000

But the government say they will not use this to set rail fare rises in 2022!

RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context))% is still used I believe, but that measure is no longer an official measure & not released by ONS» (Office for National Statistics - website), but calculated separately

Not so; while ONS have made it clear they wish to stop publishing RPI, no decision has been made. What they say now is:
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The Retail Prices Index (RPI) and its derivatives have been assessed against the Code of Practice for Official Statistics and found not to meet the required standard for designation as National Statistics; the RPI, its sub-components and the RPIX continue to be published as they are tied to long-term contracts.
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« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2021, 12:02:18 »

Ok, yes.....long-dayed gilts are tied to RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context)) I understand, so 10 years to wait for its abolishment.

3.8% is the RPI% for July - the Government state no decision yet as they're "considering a range of options"
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« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2021, 13:24:07 »

Press Release from Railfuture

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Time for Action, not Words on Rail fares

Today saw the release of July’s inflation figures, including a RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context)) rate of 3.8% and a CPI rate of 2.0%.  The RPI rate, often with an extra 1% has been used in recent years to set the following year’s increase in rail fares for England & Wales. But rail campaigners are calling for change in approach.

“The Government will no doubt tell us in due course that it is only fair that if the cost of living is increasing the passenger should continue to pay their share.  But this is missing the point.  It isn’t the fare that determines how much passengers, overall, contribute to the railway – it is the fare multiplied by the number of passengers that matters” said Neil Middleton from the campaign group Railfuture.  “At a time when there are so few captive passengers for the railway, with business meetings that can take place on Zoom, and ‘Work from Home’ as the routine, the reduction in demand from an increased price easily leads to an overall loss of revenue”.

We hear of talk for significant restructure of rail fares – promised many times, most recently in the Williams Shapps review, but no action to actually make it happen.  At a time when public transport can so easily help us to achieve a low carbon life, it is disappointing that the “more of the same” approach seems to be seen as the low risk option.  It isn’t – a new approach to rail fares can stimulate demand, increase revenue and reduce the burden to taxpayers. 

Rail already struggles to demonstrate value at times – consider Newcastle to London tomorrow for a full day’s work.  Key choices include:

Train with flexibility: £310 (could be £325 next year)

Train without flexibility: £251 (could be £263 next year)

Drive £40.48 (petrol, parking at Stanmore Underground station and fare to central London)

Commuters will also see significant price increases – our table below shows price increases for commuters for next year assuming an inflationary increase of 4.8% is applied.

The temptation for travellers to choose alternatives is already high – each time that happens, the taxpayer steps in to make up that missed revenue.

It’s time for the Government to take action to actually do something about their words (“considering a variety of options”) – in order to ensure that:

1. Revenue for the railway increases by stopping a focus on just half the challenge – income per person matters a lot less than total revenue.

2. We are all encouraged towards to transport that’s more carbon efficient – LNER» (London North Eastern Railway - about)’s calculator shows CO2 emissions of 35.0kg for the train, and 144.9kg for the car (for the return journey).

A good first step would be to announce that the historic RPI + 1% habit has been retired and commit to a better choice – do not forget that the Office for Statistics Regulation de-designated RPI as a National Statistic 8 years ago.

If the Government is serious about revenue, not fares, and carbon efficiency, setting next year’s increase to zero would be a powerful message.  Messages that say we don’t want it getting worse would include limiting it to the lower of CPI and the increase in fuel duty (if any).





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« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2021, 15:28:44 »

Generally speaking the Government uses RPI (Revenue Protection Inspector (or Retail Price Index, depending on the context)) when it comes to taking, and CPI when it comes to giving.
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« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2021, 15:53:01 »

Perhaps excise duties on road fuel and fares on the railway should be linked.

If rail fares are to be increased by say 4% then fuel duty should increase similarly.
Or put another way, if fuel duty is frozen, then rail fares should be.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #13 on: August 18, 2021, 16:16:21 »

Perhaps excise duties on road fuel and fares on the railway should be linked.

If rail fares are to be increased by say 4% then fuel duty should increase similarly.
Or put another way, if fuel duty is frozen, then rail fares should be.

If the price of apples rises by 4%, why don't we raise the price of pears by a similar amount?
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« Reply #14 on: August 18, 2021, 16:28:43 »

Perhaps excise duties on road fuel and fares on the railway should be linked.

If rail fares are to be increased by say 4% then fuel duty should increase similarly.
Or put another way, if fuel duty is frozen, then rail fares should be.

If the price of apples rises by 4%, why don't we raise the price of pears by a similar amount?


Not comparable at all. Apples and pears are crops the prices of which vary due to fluctuations in harvests, and varying consumer demand. Prices are not set by the government but by supply versus demand.

Petrol prices are largely controlled by the government as they can adjust the rate of duty which is a significant proportion of the retail price.
Train fares are largely under government control.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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