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« on: August 05, 2021, 09:58:55 am »

A SWR» (South Western Railway - about) unit has derailed inside Fratton depot near Portsmouth trapping several GWR (Great Western Railway) and SWR units.  Also affecting one of the lines past the depot.

Several cancellations and short-forms as a result.


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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2021, 10:36:14 am »

I think that’s a repeat of a previous incident of points being moved under the train, I’m sure I remember a very similar picture a few years ago.

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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2021, 11:48:41 am »

10th February 2015 - but cannot find any photos.
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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2021, 12:02:07 pm »

How does that actually happen? Is it a human error, switching the points too early, or a technical one with the automatic equipment?
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« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2021, 12:18:48 pm »

I think (but am not sure) that it’s all manually controlled from a local shunters cabin, (even if power operated), rather than from the signalling centre at Havant.

From another forum it seems to have been an internal depot shunt move with the train heading into the depot through the wash road.  So the points probably moved under the 9th carriage of 10.

I think the left most through track of the four in the photo, between Fratton and Portsmouth & Southsea, is known as the “back road”, and becomes the “reception road” alongside the station, and as far as the online sectional appendix shows it’s not part of the main network.

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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2021, 10:49:34 am »

Half an hour ago from the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)

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A train operator has switched to a reduced timetable following a derailed train and a large number of coronavirus-related staff absences.

South Western Railway (SWR» (South Western Railway - about)) has cancelled all trains between Salisbury and Reading.

A reduced service is running between Waterloo and Weymouth and Waterloo and Portsmouth.

SWR said it was working on an amended service for Sunday and advised passengers to check before they travel.

The train operator apologised for the changes due to "high levels of Covid-related absences amongst our colleagues and the impact of the derailment at Fratton depot".

The South Western Railway train came off the tracks at Portsmouth in the early hours of the morning on Thursday. It was not carrying any passengers and had been manoeuvring at low speed.

Works are under way to rerail the train, repair the track and reopen the depot.

Do SWR outstation some of their 158/159s at Fratton, or is the Salisbury to Reading change nothing to do with the derailment? 
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2021, 11:33:54 am »

Do SWR» (South Western Railway - about) outstation some of their 158/159s at Fratton, or is the Salisbury to Reading change nothing to do with the derailment? 

I don't think so, certainly not the ones that were doing the evening Reading service yesterday.

SWR JourneCheck lists:
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10:18 Reading to Salisbury due 11:23 has been cancelled.
This is due to a problem currently under investigation.
Last Updated:07/08/2021 10:30
Due    Station    Status
10:18   Reading   Not Stopping
10:41   Basingstoke   Not Stopping
10:49   Overton   Not Stopping
10:54   Whitchurch Hants   Not Stopping
11:03   Andover   Not Stopping
11:10   Grateley   Not Stopping
11:23   Salisbury   Not Stopping

But there is no such train listed (e.g. on RTT» (Real Time Trains - website)) - no Saturday Reading/Salisbury service at the moment. And the information (which I can't see on SWR's own site) says they are still thinking about tomorrow, when there isn't a train at quite that time anyway. Strange.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2021, 12:54:52 pm »

I've just found SWR» (South Western Railway - about)'s announcement, which says:
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Service Alterations due to Covid related absences
What's going on
Due to high levels of Covid-related absences amongst our colleagues and the impact of the derailment at Fratton depot, we will be making changes to some services this weekend.

Other services may also be subject to short-notice changes and engineering works will affect some journeys.

We apologise for any inconvenience caused to our customers. Please see a summary of the planned changes due to Covid-related absences and the derailment at Fratton depot below:

Saturday
- Our Salisbury to Reading services will not run.
- Services between Waterloo and Weymouth will run hourly.
- Services between Waterloo and Portsmouth will be reduced from 3 trains per hour to 2 trains per hour.

Sunday
- Our teams are currently working on planning an amended service for Sunday. Please check your journey closer to your time of travel.

I still don't think that's a change.
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2021, 01:08:44 pm »

Five GWR (Great Western Railway) units have been trapped inside the depot.
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2021, 09:09:37 pm »

Five GWR (Great Western Railway) units have been trapped inside the depot.

Which is why the trains that are based at Portsmouth haven't been out to play. Same change on both of these two.

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18:27 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour due 21:50
19:24 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour due 22:50

19:24 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour due 22:50 will be terminated at Bristol Parkway.
It will no longer call at Filton Abbey Wood, Keynsham, Bath Spa, Bradford-On-Avon, Trowbridge, Westbury, Warminster, Salisbury, Romsey, Southampton Central, Fareham, Fratton, Portsmouth & Southsea and Portsmouth Harbour.
This is due to a derailment within the depot.
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« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2021, 01:20:45 pm »

I had guessed that the mention of Salisbury-Reading trains not running yesterday resulted from an early decision not to run them today (when there are some to cancel). After all, they only go to Reading to retain driver knowledge, so look like an easy first choice to cancel - especially if you can cancel them throughout. But that's neither what has happened, nor what was eventually (after 11 pm last night) announced for today.

Under the same general text, they say:
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Sunday
- A reduced service will run between Exeter St David's and London Waterloo. Ticket acceptance in place with GWR (Great Western Railway) between Exeter and London
- There will be limited services between Salisbury and Basingstoke. Replacement buses are in place.
- A reduced service will run between Salisbury and Southampton Central.

On Sundays, there is no service just for Salisbury-Basingstoke before 18:00, just long-distance services plus the hourly Salisbury-Reading trains (cut back to Basingstoke in the evenings). So some trains are lost where Exeter services are terminated at Basingstoke; I'm not sure if buses are running for those (but none are in RTT» (Real Time Trains - website)). The Salisbury-Reading trains are all running, at least so far! All of which is very odd.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2021, 02:53:55 pm »

Half an hour ago from the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)

Do SWR» (South Western Railway - about) outstation some of their 158/159s at Fratton, or is the Salisbury to Reading change nothing to do with the derailment? 
I don’t think any SWR DMUs (Diesel Multiple Unit) reach either Portsmouth station, or Fratton depot any more. It finally stopped a few timetables ago, when the last “South Hants local” workings, (other than Salisbury - Romsey), all became 450 operated.   
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2021, 10:36:39 pm »

On Sundays, there is no service just for Salisbury-Basingstoke before 18:00, just long-distance services plus the hourly Salisbury-Reading trains (cut back to Basingstoke in the evenings). So some trains are lost where Exeter services are terminated at Basingstoke; I'm not sure if buses are running for those (but none are in RTT» (Real Time Trains - website)). The Salisbury-Reading trains are all running, at least so far! All of which is very odd.

I was wrong about that evening service being cut back - after the last train leaves Reading at 17:12,  there are no more, just Waterloo services to, from, or via Salisbury. Except tonight! Today the (retimed) service continued until the last departure from Reading at 21:12! Those changes were entered as VAR, so must have been done before the last-minute Covid losses. But why? Not another event, was it?
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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2021, 10:29:21 am »

On Sundays, there is no service just for Salisbury-Basingstoke before 18:00, just long-distance services plus the hourly Salisbury-Reading trains (cut back to Basingstoke in the evenings). So some trains are lost where Exeter services are terminated at Basingstoke; I'm not sure if buses are running for those (but none are in RTT» (Real Time Trains - website)). The Salisbury-Reading trains are all running, at least so far! All of which is very odd.

I was wrong about that evening service being cut back - after the last train leaves Reading at 17:12,  there are no more, just Waterloo services to, from, or via Salisbury. Except tonight! Today the (retimed) service continued until the last departure from Reading at 21:12! Those changes were entered as VAR, so must have been done before the last-minute Covid losses. But why? Not another event, was it?
There was a SW mainline engineering closure at Weybridge, so the Waterloo via Woking services were thinned out for diversions via Cobham/Surbiton and via the Byfleet Curve and Virginia Water.  That may have meant direct travel into Reading for Paddington was extended into the evening.
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