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« Reply #30 on: August 31, 2021, 03:49:49 pm »

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) spotlight local news for the south west of England reported on the bridge strike on the 13:30pm lunch time news
Available on the i-player thingy for 24 hours only

Spotlight said they would  be at the scene again on the the 18:30pm local news
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« Reply #31 on: August 31, 2021, 04:04:52 pm »

Truck moved .... Repairs until weekend

https://twitter.com/networkrailwest/status/1432719690539884554
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« Reply #32 on: August 31, 2021, 06:51:30 pm »

I remain of the opinion that penalties for this type of incompetent driving should be far more severe.

The driver of the truck should lose their licence for some years, except in the rather unlikely case of some exceptional extenuating circumstance.

The operator, or more realistically their insurers, should be liable for the full costs of delay minutes, compensation to passengers, surveyors fees, bridge repairs and other costs.
A few large payouts would concentrate the mind.

I was just wondering things like consequential losses claimable from the truck insurers.. I’m due to go to London tomorrow for my eldest step daughters birthday outing. I’m not ruining her birthday outing due to this so will likely drive from Cornwall to Exeter St David’s to pick up the train, seeing the rail replacement reporting lack of availability. I’ll now incur additional car parking costs (id have walked to my local station) and around 120 miles round trip of petrol as a result of this trucks negligence.
Obviously I wouldn’t dream of claiming off GWR (Great Western Railway), but what grounds would the truck company have to deny they caused my out of pocket costs by this incident. It isn’t worth claiming, purely hypothetical I’ll probably be £20 out of pocket at most. 
Losses from these events are very widely distributed, which makes it less likely those responsible will bear them in full.

Given the railways attitude to paying out for its customers consequential losses due to cancellation and delay, I wonder if they expect other companies to be more accommodating in these circumstances?

Network Rail own Loss Adjusters will no doubt be talking the the vehicle owner regards insurance claim, however the claim is only likely to cover the repairs to the bridge and not the consequential losses of Network Rail revenue, that is the schedule 8 payments to the ToC and FoC these are capped anyway.   It is the ToC who deals with the passengers claims.

I do wonder if the driver of this HGV was a 'boil in the bag" HGV 2; the training course for HGV 2 is 4 days yep that's right if you have a full car driving licences and meet a few other criteria you can attend a 4 day course take the HGV 2 driving test and then get a job as multi drop driver the typical pay for these jobs is £29K 
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« Reply #33 on: August 31, 2021, 06:59:14 pm »

Looking at photos of today's incident, I can't work out how the spoiler-thingy with "Thermo King" on it survived, unless it was so flimsy that it was pushed back as it hit the bridge and then sprung back after it had cleared the other side.
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« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2021, 07:16:18 pm »

Looking at photos of today's incident, I can't work out how the spoiler-thingy with "Thermo King" on it survived, unless it was so flimsy that it was pushed back as it hit the bridge and then sprung back after it had cleared the other side.

I think that's the outer part of the chiller - so not likely to bend and bounce back. But I think the angle of the picture is misleading, and it is significantly lower than the bulge on the roof of the load space (which I guess contains the rest of the chiller?)
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« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2021, 11:29:21 pm »

The road appears to be sloping upwards through the bridge so that the crown is much nearer the road surface at the exit. This seems to be where the top of the vehicle hit - just displacing the very outer course of stonework at the top of the arch.

Usually a bridge wins hands down in a strike on a level road.

This needs attention by ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) before adding excess electrical clearances to an already historically safe railway environment.

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« Reply #36 on: September 01, 2021, 02:50:13 am »



Network Rail own Loss Adjusters will no doubt be talking the the vehicle owner regards insurance claim, however the claim is only likely to cover the repairs to the bridge and not the consequential losses of Network Rail revenue, that is the schedule 8 payments to the ToC and FoC these are capped anyway.   It is the ToC who deals with the passengers claims.

I do wonder if the driver of this HGV was a 'boil in the bag" HGV 2; the training course for HGV 2 is 4 days yep that's right if you have a full car driving licences and meet a few other criteria you can attend a 4 day course take the HGV 2 driving test and then get a job as multi drop driver the typical pay for these jobs is £29K 

If training is that quick and simple, and the wages  are as described, then why is there a shortage of such drivers ?
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #37 on: September 01, 2021, 06:42:06 am »



Network Rail own Loss Adjusters will no doubt be talking the the vehicle owner regards insurance claim, however the claim is only likely to cover the repairs to the bridge and not the consequential losses of Network Rail revenue, that is the schedule 8 payments to the ToC and FoC these are capped anyway.   It is the ToC who deals with the passengers claims.

I do wonder if the driver of this HGV was a 'boil in the bag" HGV 2; the training course for HGV 2 is 4 days yep that's right if you have a full car driving licences and meet a few other criteria you can attend a 4 day course take the HGV 2 driving test and then get a job as multi drop driver the typical pay for these jobs is £29K 

If training is that quick and simple, and the wages  are as described, then why is there a shortage of such drivers ?

Have you ever heard of a little thing called Brexit?
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« Reply #38 on: September 01, 2021, 06:43:50 am »



Network Rail own Loss Adjusters will no doubt be talking the the vehicle owner regards insurance claim, however the claim is only likely to cover the repairs to the bridge and not the consequential losses of Network Rail revenue, that is the schedule 8 payments to the ToC and FoC these are capped anyway.   It is the ToC who deals with the passengers claims.

I do wonder if the driver of this HGV was a 'boil in the bag" HGV 2; the training course for HGV 2 is 4 days yep that's right if you have a full car driving licences and meet a few other criteria you can attend a 4 day course take the HGV 2 driving test and then get a job as multi drop driver the typical pay for these jobs is £29K 

If training is that quick and simple, and the wages  are as described, then why is there a shortage of such drivers ?

There are costs to do the training and test, also the cost of the medical (this not free on the NHS) all have to be paid by the prospective driver as haulers do not employ trainee drives and pay the costs.

The acute shortage is HGV 1

The training companies for the road haulage industry seems to be fast tracking the courses and there is no doubt 'political pressure' on the examiners
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« Reply #39 on: September 01, 2021, 07:13:41 am »



Network Rail own Loss Adjusters will no doubt be talking the the vehicle owner regards insurance claim, however the claim is only likely to cover the repairs to the bridge and not the consequential losses of Network Rail revenue, that is the schedule 8 payments to the ToC and FoC these are capped anyway.   It is the ToC who deals with the passengers claims.

I do wonder if the driver of this HGV was a 'boil in the bag" HGV 2; the training course for HGV 2 is 4 days yep that's right if you have a full car driving licences and meet a few other criteria you can attend a 4 day course take the HGV 2 driving test and then get a job as multi drop driver the typical pay for these jobs is £29K 

If training is that quick and simple, and the wages  are as described, then why is there a shortage of such drivers ?

Have you ever heard of a little thing called Brexit?

Yes of course I have, but there are plenty of UK (United Kingdom) holders of full car licences whom I would have thought would welcome significant higher wages after a brief course.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #40 on: September 01, 2021, 07:33:55 am »

We have HGV 1 qualified drivers working on the railway. Whilst some work pays well, most will earn around £12 per hour. The conditions are appalling, you’re treated like rubbish and places like supermarkets call all the shots with deadlines are refusing loads and then there’s the other associated costs
One ex-HGV driver who works with us got out of the profession after numerous attacks around Calais by migrants and then IR35.
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« Reply #41 on: September 01, 2021, 08:00:20 am »

The road appears to be sloping upwards through the bridge…..snip

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Yes, the road is VERY steep upwards under the bridge in the direction the truck was moving!  I guess the driver had ‘put his foot down’ having seen the gradient, hence making it worse.
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« Reply #42 on: September 01, 2021, 08:08:26 am »

Will say, from what I’m hearing from friends and family, GWR (Great Western Railway) have put some work into sourcing replacement road transport.
A friend was at Plymouth station at 0515 this morning and was boarding a Pewsey Vale coach!  That’s a journey down from their coach depot of around 150 miles.
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« Reply #43 on: September 01, 2021, 08:21:09 am »

The road appears to be sloping upwards through the bridge…..snip

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Yes, the road is VERY steep upwards under the bridge in the direction the truck was moving!  I guess the driver had ‘put his foot down’ having seen the gradient, hence making it worse.

Presumably the front of the cab with the AC equipment went under the bridge, and then as the road rose the lorry pivoted up to explain why the front is undamaged and the stonework has been physically lifted.
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« Reply #44 on: September 01, 2021, 09:06:41 am »

Will say, from what I’m hearing from friends and family, GWR (Great Western Railway) have put some work into sourcing replacement road transport.
A friend was at Plymouth station at 0515 this morning and was boarding a Pewsey Vale coach!  That’s a journey down from their coach depot of around 150 miles.

Yes I'm working in Plymouth for a few weeks, walked past the station this morning & it looked like there were a good supply of coaches waiting to go!
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