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« on: September 07, 2021, 10:30:34 am »

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There's rarely smoke without fire, but often the smoke can be misleading (did you ever shovel wet grass and leaves onto a small, fierce bonfire and see a huge, thick cloud of smoke rising out of all proportion ...

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« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2021, 10:35:33 am »

I’d be surprised if we got through to next spring without any restrictions being introduced.  Hopefully workplaces, shops and other leisure/entertainment/hospitality  will be able to stay open.
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« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2021, 11:15:26 am »

When all restrictions were lifted a short while back and the infection rate started to climb again, I made a comment to my colleagues that "it would not surprise me if restrictions (if not another full lockdown) would be reimposed in time for the Autumn Half Term". I may be a natural pessimist, but I stick to my comment. My wife works in a school and the powers-that-be at that school are very nervous about their charges returning to a 'no restrictions' environment.
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« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2021, 12:51:19 pm »

I’d be surprised if we got through to next spring without any restrictions being introduced.  Hopefully workplaces, shops and other leisure/entertainment/hospitality  will be able to stay open.

When all restrictions were lifted a short while back and the infection rate started to climb again, I made a comment to my colleagues that "it would not surprise me if restrictions (if not another full lockdown) would be reimposed in time for the Autumn Half Term". I may be a natural pessimist, but I stick to my comment. My wife works in a school and the powers-that-be at that school are very nervous about their charges returning to a 'no restrictions' environment.

My personal view is that all of this is largely irrelevant, as the masks, along with another national lockdown, will be back by autumn.

Whether that will also be the case on my side of the channel is still in the balance. I suspect they will try and control it by insisting on the showing of Covid Vaccination Passports for most everyday activities - including using public transport - first.

A reminder above of my prediction from back in mid-July.

Covid Vaccination Passports for many activities have now been introduced in France, and touching all available wood, cases over here are starting to come down. I dont like it at all from a civil liberties perspective of course, but it is probably true to say that the alternative is frequent lockdown and the closure of the type of leisure/entertainment/hospitality establishments that Industry Insider mentions for at least 8 months a year.
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« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2021, 10:52:41 pm »

My thoughts are to close infernal state schools permanently. They do little to no educational good. Provide some online lectures. Let kids learn soft skills by playing in smaller groups in nearby woods and on nearby mountains. If we have a public health reason to save council tax like this, then all the better.
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« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2021, 08:54:25 am »

There are always "worst-case scenarios" that the media seize on. Some of us may remember consideration some 40 (??) years ago of the future rail network which led to maps being published in the press showing no rail services beyond Plymouth and between Salisbury and Exeter (among many other cuts).

Remember too some of the pessimistic "up to" statistics that have been floated over the past 18 months.

Though I'm generally comfortable outside, I still wince at the jam-packed crowds watching the Tour of Britain cycle race and shouting encouragement at the riders. Not a mask in sight. Yet about 15-20% of the crowds watching the recent Tour of Spain were masked.
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« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2021, 09:02:42 am »

My thoughts are to close infernal state schools permanently. They do little to no educational good. Provide some online lectures. Let kids learn soft skills by playing in smaller groups in nearby woods and on nearby mountains. If we have a public health reason to save council tax like this, then all the better.

That is a rather unusual view, but one with which I largely agree.
After all schools HAVE been largely closed for extended periods, and exam results reached new records, so in the interests of continued progress, close them permanently.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2021, 09:50:37 am »

My thoughts are to close infernal state schools permanently. They do little to no educational good. Provide some online lectures. Let kids learn soft skills by playing in smaller groups in nearby woods and on nearby mountains. If we have a public health reason to save council tax like this, then all the better.

If you think that the method of education by remote means used during the Pandemic saved money then you are sadly mistaken! Such a change even if it were desirable will not save money. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2021, 06:42:50 am »

My thoughts are to close infernal state schools permanently. They do little to no educational good. Provide some online lectures. Let kids learn soft skills by playing in smaller groups in nearby woods and on nearby mountains. If we have a public health reason to save council tax like this, then all the better.

If you think that the method of education by remote means used during the Pandemic saved money then you are sadly mistaken! Such a change even if it were desirable will not save money. 

A permanent closure or great reduction in formal schooling should save a great deal of money.
There was no saving during the pandemic because all staff in the industry were still paid, and premises maintained.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2021, 01:34:45 am »

I’d be surprised if we got through to next spring without any restrictions being introduced.  Hopefully workplaces, shops and other leisure/entertainment/hospitality  will be able to stay open.

When all restrictions were lifted a short while back and the infection rate started to climb again, I made a comment to my colleagues that "it would not surprise me if restrictions (if not another full lockdown) would be reimposed in time for the Autumn Half Term". I may be a natural pessimist, but I stick to my comment. My wife works in a school and the powers-that-be at that school are very nervous about their charges returning to a 'no restrictions' environment.

My personal view is that all of this is largely irrelevant, as the masks, along with another national lockdown, will be back by autumn.

Whether that will also be the case on my side of the channel is still in the balance. I suspect they will try and control it by insisting on the showing of Covid Vaccination Passports for most everyday activities - including using public transport - first.

A reminder above of my prediction from back in mid-July.

Covid Vaccination Passports for many activities have now been introduced in France, and touching all available wood, cases over here are starting to come down. I dont like it at all from a civil liberties perspective of course, but it is probably true to say that the alternative is frequent lockdown and the closure of the type of leisure/entertainment/hospitality establishments that Industry Insider mentions for at least 8 months a year.

An alternative that Sajid now appears to have chosen for you - https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-58535258

Quote from: Sajid Javid
Speaking on The Andrew Marr Show, Mr Javid said: "We just shouldn't be doing things for the sake of it or because others are doing, and we should look at every possible intervention properly."

He said he had "never liked the idea of saying to people you must show your papers" to "do what is just an everyday activity".

"We've looked at it properly and, whilst we should keep it in reserve as a potential option, I'm pleased to say that we will not be going ahead with plans for vaccine passports," he added.

As you all know, from a civil liberties perspective, I completely agree with Sajid. I had to show my Vaccine Passport 3 times in Carhaix on Friday - to gain access to 2 cafes, and 1 routine hospital appointment - and each time I felt my skin crawl.

The problem is the numbers appear to tell the story - 28000 cases per day on a rising trend in the UK (United Kingdom), versus 7000 cases per day on a falling trend over here.

I note Sajid's "whilst we should keep it in reserve as a potential option" caveat, and my personal opinion is that as much as it pains me to say it, you would probably be better off introducing the Vaccine Passport now while you still have a chance of avoiding a new lockdown, rather than having to introduce a Vaccine Passport in a few months time as the UK population emerges in a state of bitterness mixed with weary resignation from that avoidable lockdown, with the politicians telling them at that point that the measure is the only way to avoid future lockdowns...
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