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« on: November 18, 2021, 07:33:07 pm »

This came out a month ago, but I only just noticed it. The consultation document doesn't have a short summary, but the web page has this description:
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This consultation seeks views on the desirability of establishing an RCIB and how it might operate.

An RCIB is suggested to carry out thematic investigations and probe specific incidents of concern to establish the causes of collisions and make independent safety recommendations to help further improve road safety across the country.

The closing date is 9th December.

Two things strike me initially. One is that other kinds of accident, most obviously fires, should not be excluded. The other is that the relationship between investigations of individual accidents and these thematic studies is very unclear. In fact "probe specific incidents", quoted above, is more explicit than anything in the consultation document itself.
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« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2021, 08:19:36 pm »

Two things strike me initially.

As long as neither of them were cars, then the new body is doing its job already.
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« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2021, 08:42:18 pm »

If ot’s aanything like the RAIB (Rail Accident Investigation Branch), I can imagine the ire they’ll get from motorists when their investigations mean rosds closed for hours/days while they are carried out
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2021, 10:47:45 pm »

Kind of already exists https://expertwitness.trl.co.uk/

Not sure a RCIB would have as clear cut roll as the AAIB (Air Accident Investigation Branch), RAIB (Rail Accident Investigation Branch) and MAIB
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2021, 06:51:24 am »

I thought RCIB was initially to focus on electric and self-driving cars.

Whatever, will anything be done as a result of its findings?
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2021, 12:20:15 pm »

I thought RCIB was initially to focus on electric and self-driving cars.

I don’t think the wording used actually puts a focus on those specific vehicles, does it?

“dedicated to learning lessons from road traffic collisions, including those involving self-driving vehicles”

It seems an unnecessary clarification - it would be weird not to include them by default.

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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2021, 05:37:49 pm »

Road collisions can not be investigated to anything like the same extent as railway accidents, there are simply far too many.

Also in most cases, it is the driver of one road vehicle at fault, in contrast to railway accidents which CAN be fault of the driver but are more usually due to other causes.

Society is very tolerant of road deaths and is not generally in favour of stricter safety measures.
The three most common reasons for road collisions are excess speed, jumping red traffic lights, and driving whilst unfit through drink and drugs.

Excess speed could be dealt with by fitting speed limiters to vehicles, or by far stricter penalties for exceeding the limit. Neither is likely to be widely supported.

Jumping red lights can be detected by cameras, and could be deterred by far stricter penalties, a "new war on motorists" not likely to be popular.

The motoring lobby do now reluctantly accept the breathalyzer but still oppose any increase in police powers or any tightening of the rules regarding drink driving. So improving safety in that direction will be a challenge.
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