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« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2021, 11:17:49 am »

Rescue train 1Z99 for 1A77 now immobilised by a wave on the sea wall.

Looking at the webcam you can see why!  Looks like a stupid idea to try rescue it from that direction.  Good to see the bits of the sea wall that have been completed doing a much better job of preventing the waves…bodes well for the future.
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2021, 11:20:27 am »

Running in 'Dawlish proof mode', it has been 'killed' by a wave. So much for 'Dawlish Proof'.

It’s ‘Dawlish Special Mode’…not ‘Dawlish proof mode’.  Though we do have more proof that it doesn’t work.   Undecided

The worrying aspect is that it immobilised a train on the UP (i.e inner) track.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2021, 11:25:31 am »

That track still currently gets battered when conditions are as bad as they currently are - as can be witnessed on the webcam.
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2021, 11:35:47 am »

1C70 on the down declared a failure after leaving Teignmouth
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2021, 01:06:35 pm »

1C70 on the down declared a failure after leaving Teignmouth

I see both that train, and 1A77, have booked calls at Dawlish.

It shouldn’t be difficult to work out that in severe storm conditions, IETs (Intercity Express Train) stand little or no chance stopped at a station for a minute or two where they are being hit by waves every ten or so seconds.  Why weren’t those calls removed?  They may well have been ok passing through non-stop as previous services did.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2021, 01:13:59 pm »

What about the passengers on the drowned trains ?
Was rescue arranged or they still stuck there.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2021, 01:17:35 pm »

What about the passengers on the drowned trains ?
Was rescue arranged or they still stuck there.

Remind me why the excellent crews who relaid to Okehampton haven't been carrying on their good work to Meldon and beyond, and started from the other end at Bere Alston too ... been talked about long enough!
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2021, 01:24:06 pm »

Just a thought.....OK it's a bit radical....given there's been a bit of warning of this weather, wouldn't it have made sense to run a train service to the station either side of the affected area, and then bus people between these two points, or Exeter if it's more practical?

Before the "yeahbutwhere'sallthebuses" starts, I'm not suggesting a full service, it isn't needed at the moment anyway, but surely it would be better than this chaos?
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2021, 01:28:25 pm »

Just a thought.....OK it's a bit radical....given there's been a bit of warning of this weather, wouldn't it have made sense to run a train service to the station either side of the affected area, and then bus people between these two points, or Exeter if it's more practical?

Before the "yeahbutwhere'sallthebuses" starts, I'm not suggesting a full service, it isn't needed at the moment anyway, but surely it would be better than this chaos?

There were buses on standby at both Newton Abbot and Exeter St Davids this morning and both lots put to use.

A better idea would have been to have had a couple of Castle sets stabled at Newton and St Davids rather than buses. The Castles would have survived the waves.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2021, 01:29:57 pm »

What about the passengers on the drowned trains ?
Was rescue arranged or they still stuck there.

Remind me why the excellent crews who relaid to Okehampton haven't been carrying on their good work to Meldon and beyond, and started from the other end at Bere Alston too ... been talked about long enough!

Agree with you entirely, grahame. Sadly, and I am sure you appreciate all too well, but rather more work would be required that simply relaying the track. Meldon viaduct needs major investment to reinstate trains; plus the trackbed is in private ownership in several places along the line - not to mention the housing estate at Tavistock.
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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2021, 01:31:01 pm »

Bearing in mind these strong gales were forecast, as are tides well in advance;
this morning's high tide at over 4 metres high at 0826 at Dawlish was a Spring high tide.

Clearly it would have been prudent to have taken out stops at Dawlish scheduked  by the problematic IETs (Intercity Express Train).
But then who is in overall charge in the South West to make a decision with wide rail industry experience and knowledge these days ?!

As for rescue by a LOCOMOTIVE ..where is the nearest suitable; Crewe?

Some Exeter and north thereof rail passengers who would have used stations between Penzance and Plymouth are known today to have instead driven to Okehampton where the line is proving popular and so far very reliable.
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2021, 01:41:20 pm »

Just a thought.....OK it's a bit radical....given there's been a bit of warning of this weather, wouldn't it have made sense to run a train service to the station either side of the affected area, and then bus people between these two points, or Exeter if it's more practical?

Before the "yeahbutwhere'sallthebuses" starts, I'm not suggesting a full service, it isn't needed at the moment anyway, but surely it would be better than this chaos?

There were buses on standby at both Newton Abbot and Exeter St Davids this morning and both lots put to use.

A better idea would have been to have had a couple of Castle sets stabled at Newton and St Davids rather than buses. The Castles would have survived the waves.

That would have been too embarrassing I suspect. Buses instead of trains during bad weather are just about acceptable "we cant run trains in these conditions, but have done what we could be providing a bus"

Old trains instead of new ones would be hugely embarrassing. "New trains cant work in these conditions, despite this being an essential requirement of the design, but the old ones are fine"
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2021, 01:49:24 pm »

2 out of 3 stranded IETs (Intercity Express Train) now moving under own steam (1C70 and 1Z99), 1A77 waiting for 3rd engine to restart.
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2021, 01:53:08 pm »

2 out of 3 stranded IETs (Intercity Express Train) now moving under own steam (1C70 and 1Z99), 1A77 waiting for 3rd engine to restart.

1A77 now on the move.
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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2021, 04:18:23 pm »

What about the passengers on the drowned trains ?
Was rescue arranged or they still stuck there.

Remind me why the excellent crews who relaid to Okehampton haven't been carrying on their good work to Meldon and beyond, and started from the other end at Bere Alston too ... been talked about long enough!

Agree with you entirely, grahame. Sadly, and I am sure you appreciate all too well, but rather more work would be required that simply relaying the track. Meldon viaduct needs major investment to reinstate trains; plus the trackbed is in private ownership in several places along the line - not to mention the housing estate at Tavistock.


Didn't Network Rail judge it to be "expensive but feasible" ? Is the plan to knock down anything in the way? If so, what specifically gets bulldozed?
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