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« Reply #15 on: April 29, 2008, 23:33:03 » |
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Maybe they will have to try and obtain the use of at least one more additional HST▸ set then if they want to achieve the increase in Seating as promised by their franchise agreement, to allow more double voyagers??? Maybe GC» sets if things change for them???
Why did they report that Bombardier had now planned to complete the work, if the leasing company had declined it? Surely the leasing company have had sufficient time to oppose this, since the franchise agreement was made?
New seat covers will be a bonus, as some are starting to look a bit shabby now.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2008, 07:41:07 » |
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Bombardier have supposedly forbidden Cross Country to remove the shop, unless they put it back in at the end of the lease/franchise.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2008, 12:42:02 » |
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Thats stupid though, as surely the future operator of XC▸ will require the same if not more seating space, so putting the shop back will not really be the best option?
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2008, 16:12:19 » |
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What I believe is happening:
current shop is being replaced for bicycle and luggage space, meanwhile the bike spaces in the quiet carriage are to house a new catering base.
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« Reply #19 on: April 30, 2008, 16:58:56 » |
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As Voyagers were poorly designed, I would hope that the seats are re-done. They are very uncomfortable (obviously designed in a rush on the cheap). Maybe they will have to try and obtain the use of at least one more additional HST▸ set then if they want to achieve the increase in Seating as promised by their franchise agreement, to allow more double voyagers??? Maybe GC» sets if things change for them???
Interesting idea. Out of interest, does anybody know how many more Class 43 and mark 3s there are left? |
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« Reply #20 on: April 30, 2008, 17:31:40 » |
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As Voyagers were poorly designed, I would hope that the seats are re-done. They are very uncomfortable (obviously designed in a rush on the cheap). Maybe they will have to try and obtain the use of at least one more additional HST▸ set then if they want to achieve the increase in Seating as promised by their franchise agreement, to allow more double voyagers??? Maybe GC» sets if things change for them???
Interesting idea. Out of interest, does anybody know how many more Class 43 and mark 3s there are left? I actually quite like Voyager compared to Richmond or Chapman seats. There are exactly 0 Class 43's left. |
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« Reply #21 on: April 30, 2008, 17:34:52 » |
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As Voyagers were poorly designed, I would hope that the seats are re-done. They are very uncomfortable (obviously designed in a rush on the cheap).
they are rubbish because it is a bombardier made train,take 170's they absolute cr@p and being adtranz/bombardier they were done on the cheap and were designed to fall apart and not last long.
i am in no doubt the 172's will have the same design charecteristics and probably the same toilet type smell in all carriages.
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« Reply #22 on: April 30, 2008, 18:32:41 » |
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If XC▸ were to take on say GCs» HSTs▸ , do they feature the same number of carrages? Anything less, and they wouldn't offer much of an increase over the Voyagers!
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« Reply #23 on: April 30, 2008, 18:45:46 » |
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If XC▸ were to take on say GCs» HSTs▸ , do they feature the same number of carrages? Anything less, and they wouldn't offer much of an increase over the Voyagers!
It is also the increase in stock that allows for double workings. I think GC have 8/9 carriages. |
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« Reply #24 on: April 30, 2008, 19:07:12 » |
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If XC▸ were to take on say GCs» HSTs▸ , do they feature the same number of carrages? Anything less, and they wouldn't offer much of an increase over the Voyagers!
It is also the increase in stock that allows for double workings. I think GC have 8/9 carriages. Not per train! Its 6 per train I think |
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« Reply #25 on: April 30, 2008, 19:09:49 » |
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If XC▸ were to take on say GCs» HSTs▸ , do they feature the same number of carrages? Anything less, and they wouldn't offer much of an increase over the Voyagers!
It is also the increase in stock that allows for double workings. I think GC have 8/9 carriages. Not per train! Its 6 per train I think  That's low.  A waste of Class 43s?  Perhaps the 180s will fill the gap! Shame they didn't build more 180s, everyone wants them. Must be the second most popular form of stock!  |
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« Reply #26 on: April 30, 2008, 19:47:37 » |
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Its a shame they didnt build more class 43s too!!
Would the GC» HSTs▸ be reliable though for XC▸ , as GC don't seem to have had much luck?? More double voyagers would also be an added bonus.
Then maybe 180s to replace the 2 car 170s...... oks, now I am definetly dreaming!!
If EMT» receive the additional 3 Pionners / Meridians from Hull Trains, wouldnt that free up an additional HST set?
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« Reply #27 on: April 30, 2008, 20:00:19 » |
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Yes, its going to FGW▸
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« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2008, 20:26:51 » |
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Going to FGW▸ who are then going to loose 3 180s.
A loss, in my opinion, esp when the HSTs▸ keep failing and the Cotswold Line gets a Thames Turbo!
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« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2008, 20:44:24 » |
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Surely 3 meridians will release more than one HST▸ ?
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