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« Reply #120 on: June 03, 2022, 09:49:44 pm »

The key issue for me (and I suspect if the truth is known  Mark Hopwood and his teams) is the current stranglehold on GWER services that the ..................


Again, unless something can be confirmed in print, it's the union at fault, and they should totally accept whatever pay and conditions are given (offered!) without question. Well, OK, perhaps say "We don't like what's on offer, and it is a pay cut, with having to work more hours as well. But we won't strike, and accept it this time without further problems".

Why is it always the unions fault?  Nothing to do with the members who it seems, are so brainwashed/right wing, that they will do anything they are told by the branch secretary.

Everyone has a view of who is right and who is therefore wrong.
Like politics really.



That is not how modern day Trade Unions operate, the days of mass votes in the car at Longridge of the 1970's are long gone.

First the members get information from many sources, the company, the Unions and the multitude of media.

The disgruntlement within the Rail Industry at this moment in time spans from the basic grade to the senior managers and across all the various rolls in the industry.

The prime example of how the Government is dealing with travel issues at the moment is in the airline industry where the Government (Shaps) is blaming the airlines for overbooking!!!!!!!

 
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« Reply #121 on: June 04, 2022, 07:51:46 am »

The key issue for me (and I suspect if the truth is known  Mark Hopwood and his teams) is the current stranglehold on GWER services that the ..................


Again, unless something can be confirmed in print, it's the union at fault, and they should totally accept whatever pay and conditions are given (offered!) without question. Well, OK, perhaps say "We don't like what's on offer, and it is a pay cut, with having to work more hours as well. But we won't strike, and accept it this time without further problems".

Why is it always the unions fault?  Nothing to do with the members who it seems, are so brainwashed/right wing, that they will do anything they are told by the branch secretary.

Everyone has a view of who is right and who is therefore wrong.
Like politics really.



That is not how modern day Trade Unions operate, the days of mass votes in the car at Longridge of the 1970's are long gone.


 

Given that most of those carparks and the huge temples to nationalised industry which they served are now long gone, (coal, steel, shipbuilding, British Leyland and the like), largely thanks to chronic inefficiency and militant trade unionism I am sure the irony within that comment has not escaped you!  Wink
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« Reply #122 on: June 04, 2022, 11:14:49 am »

ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) rejected 4.2% from Scotrail yesterday.
SOunds high enough to me: how much are they holding out for?

An offer that was not put to the membership AIUI (as I understand it)?  Ballots cost a lot of money of course, but I'm slightly surprised that this wasn't put out to the vote.

It wasn't a simple 4.2% rise mind you, there were 'strings attached'.
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« Reply #123 on: June 05, 2022, 07:30:06 am »

ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) rejected 4.2% from Scotrail yesterday.
SOunds high enough to me: how much are they holding out for?

An offer that was not put to the membership AIUI (as I understand it)?  Ballots cost a lot of money of course, but I'm slightly surprised that this wasn't put out to the vote.

It wasn't a simple 4.2% rise mind you, there were 'strings attached'.

Happy to be corrected but from what I understand it was 4.2% payrise, no compulsory redundancies for 3 years, Sundays within the working week within 5 years, and I believe there were improved allowances for weekend working on offer too?

Scotrail drivers once qualified currently earn 50k+

I wonder if perhaps ASLEF were a little worried that their members would accept it, so made their decision for them instead?
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« Reply #124 on: June 05, 2022, 10:02:16 am »

I wonder if perhaps ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) were a little worried that their members would accept it, so made their decision for them instead?

That’s quite possible.
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« Reply #125 on: June 06, 2022, 06:23:36 am »

Neither side in this dispute is covering themselves in glory.

It's something of a shame that we appear to have a competent, if somewhat ideological, Secretary of State for Transport at the moment, rather than the useless ones of yore.

That doesn't bode well for the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) and it's members. They may come to regret picking the fight.

However, there's a chance we'll return to situation normal at the DfT» (Department for Transport - about), should the ambitious Shapps either do well in a leadership contest or be rewarded for loyalty to the PM (Party Meister) should the PM survive a confidence vote. Either way, I think Shapps is headed for one of the 'big four' cabinet positions.
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« Reply #126 on: June 06, 2022, 07:32:41 pm »

I wonder if perhaps ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) were a little worried that their members would accept it, so made their decision for them instead?

That’s quite possible.

Though the answer to the earlier question about "how much are they holding out for" is apparently "not much":
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Train drivers are close to reaching an agreement with ScotRail despite rejecting its latest 4.2% pay offer, the Aslef union has said.

Scottish organiser Kevin Lindsay said more talks with the rail operator would take place on Monday.


I saw that last week and then could not refind it, but it was from the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page), and who have an update following those talks today. He's still saying much the same, though with one added caveat.
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« Reply #127 on: June 07, 2022, 05:02:32 pm »

 
  21, 23, and 25  June.
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« Reply #128 on: June 07, 2022, 05:13:58 pm »

21, 23, and 25  June.
Basically taking out five days of rail travel as the train companies won’t be able to run any usable services on the 22nd and 24th if the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) are able to bring the network to a near total shutdown on the 21st.

Actually, make it six as we all know what happens on Sundays!
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« Reply #129 on: June 07, 2022, 05:16:14 pm »

21, 23, and 25  June.
Basically taking out five days of rail travel as the train companies won’t be able to run any usable services on the 22nd and 24th if the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) are able to bring the network to a near total shutdown on the 21st.

Actually, make it six as we all know what happens on Sundays!

That'll make Glastonbury interesting for GWR (Great Western Railway).
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« Reply #130 on: June 07, 2022, 05:58:35 pm »

Whilst it may lead to further disruption in the short term I do hope TOCs (Train Operating Company)/NR» (Network Rail - home page) suspend overtime and rest day working during the dispute. If employees want to withdraw their labour then they shouldn't be given the opportunity to make up for lost earnings.
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« Reply #131 on: June 07, 2022, 06:56:30 pm »

Whilst it may lead to further disruption in the short term I do hope TOCs (Train Operating Company)/NR» (Network Rail - home page) suspend overtime and rest day working during the dispute. If employees want to withdraw their labour then they shouldn't be given the opportunity to make up for lost earnings.

 Obviously that will include every Sunday for the next few months.
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« Reply #132 on: June 07, 2022, 07:09:48 pm »

Obviously that will include every Sunday for the next few months.
Pretty much given up travelling on weekends as I’m fed up with the chance the train you plan to catch is cancelled or the one before is leading to it being rammed full. Worse if it turns up as a five car set.
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« Reply #133 on: June 08, 2022, 11:39:50 am »

Basically taking out five days of rail travel as the train companies won’t be able to run any usable services on the 22nd and 24th if the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) are able to bring the network to a near total shutdown on the 21st.

I should imagine a reasonable level of service will be provided in the days between the announced dates as it’s a ‘midnight to midnight’ strike and not a ‘midday to midday’ one.  We should be grateful of that I suppose as three days of action really would mess up the service on the intermediate days.  I wonder why they didn’t?
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« Reply #134 on: June 08, 2022, 03:42:20 pm »

Whilst it may lead to further disruption in the short term I do hope TOCs (Train Operating Company)/NR» (Network Rail - home page) suspend overtime and rest day working during the dispute. If employees want to withdraw their labour then they shouldn't be given the opportunity to make up for lost earnings.

I'm actually surprised that the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) didn't opt for 'Action short of a strike' (i.e an overtime and rest day working ban) as that would have been far more effective as it is not so easy to plan against. More trains would run so the public wouldn't be quite so inconvenienced and it would not generate as much negative publicity.
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