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« Reply #180 on: July 22, 2022, 10:38:12 pm »

That is a card that the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) could choose to play at some point.

Which does indeed show that the DfT can settle the strike rather than Network Rail and the TOC (Train Operating Company)'s. They cant have it both ways but it is the DfT that holds the purse strings
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« Reply #181 on: July 23, 2022, 07:03:15 am »

Yes, if the ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) strike goes ahead, the service is likely to be extremely limited for the affected operators…far more do than the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) action.

Given the ASLEF strike is on a Saturday, Sunday could go one of two ways….
Either they’ll all volunteer to work to recoup their losses OR they could decide to have a weekend off.  If I was a betting man, I’d favour the later

If I were management and my staff went on strike, I would ban overtime as a means for staff to recoup loss of wages - even if my company lost out because of it.

And the trainset will come to a grinding halt, there would be a proliferation of ESR (Emergency Speed Restriction )'s, switches and crossings clipped out of use, many other faults that are repaired out of hours that would not get done.

NR» (Network Rail - home page) are reliant on overtime in Signal boxes, Electrical Control Rooms, Maintenance.  The management grades also have a pay claim at the moment there is good will by those grades to continue to work hours extra hours outside their contracted hours like they have done for years but it would not take much for them to work to rule.

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« Reply #182 on: July 23, 2022, 07:11:37 am »


 Rail Strikes to go ahead next Wednesday.
 RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) could not agree to ticket office closures and driver only operation.
 (there's a surprise).
 Can not see any settlement soon.

I think that's "would not" rather than "could not"!  Smiley
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« Reply #183 on: July 23, 2022, 07:14:33 am »

As a passenger I would not be happy on a DOO (Driver-Only Operation (that is, trains which operate without carrying a guard)) train from Penzance to Paddington.
Need at least a guard, and assistance from catering trolley crew always welcome.
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« Reply #184 on: July 23, 2022, 07:27:49 am »

As a passenger I would not be happy on a DOO (Driver-Only Operation (that is, trains which operate without carrying a guard)) train from Penzance to Paddington.
Need at least a guard, and assistance from catering trolley crew always welcome.

Yes agreed on longer distance routes, but the Luddite attitude to maintaining all the ticket offices is surely untenable.
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« Reply #185 on: July 23, 2022, 07:56:42 am »

Isn't ticket office staffing somewhat outside the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers)'s remit? I thought the majority of those staff, who are union members, belong to the TSSA» (Transport Salaried Staffs' Association - about).
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« Reply #186 on: July 23, 2022, 12:06:15 pm »

Isn't ticket office staffing somewhat outside the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers)'s remit? I thought the majority of those staff, who are union members, belong to the TSSA» (Transport Salaried Staffs' Association - about).

RMT does have members among station staff, and have been conducting specific campaigns against reductions in staffed hours of stations and ticket offices at Scotrail and LNER» (London North Eastern Railway - about). There is a category of member for this - Supervisory Clerical and Other Salaried Grades  - though not, I think, separate representation. No doubt the distribution is down to history - like there being RMT drivers in some places. Presumably there will be some fraternal competition for members with TSSA, along the lines of "there are not so many of us but we're more militant than them".
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« Reply #187 on: July 23, 2022, 12:23:47 pm »

RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) put out a press statement today about their "save Britain's railway ticket offices" campaign.
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RAIL UNION RMT will attempt to stop the closure of all ticket offices on the railway network with a mass campaign across the country.

Almost 1,000 ticket offices are set to close with the loss of thousands of jobs and creating accessibility problems for different types of travellers.

These include the elderly, people with disabilities and foreign visitors who may not have English as their first language.

Elderly and disabled people, and people on low incomes are less likely to have access to the internet and are excluded by the push towards online and electronic ticketing

Without ticket offices and on station support, huge swathes of passengers could be excluded from the railways altogether.

The planned closure of ticket offices is part of a wider industry attack on jobs and services.

Yet in stark contrast, the private rail industry is taking in excess of £500m in profits annually and many rail bosses have £1 million+ pay packets.

The industry is carrying out a consultation in August and is scheduled to start the process of closing offices from October.

RMT general secretary Mick Lynch said: "Ticket offices are a vital service on our railways and profit hungry train operating companies simply do not care about the detrimental impact it will have on vulnerable passengers and staff safety.

"We have no problem with genuine modernisation and adapting the way the modern railways work.

"But we will not allow thousands of members to meekly join Britain's dole queues or to accept a version of fire and rehire on inferior terms and conditions.

"We will fight this every step of the way with our national rail strike, and the public can help greatly by putting pressure on their local MP (Member of Parliament), telling the politicians they must oppose the closures."

Cat Hobbs, We Own It Director, said: “Passengers want ticket offices on our railway, they want a human being they can turn to for help, not just a machine.

“We all need them - from children on their first solo trip, to elderly passengers who don’t have a smartphone to buy a ticket.

“You can’t have Great British Railways if people can’t even ask for the information and support that they need. It is vital that the government scraps the disastrous plan to close nearly 1000 ticket offices - that’s why we’re coming together with the RMT Union in this fight for the very future of our railway.

“Instead of abandoning passengers with a second class service, this government should be making it easy for people to take the train.”

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The petition - https://www.megaphone.org.uk/petitions/cut-their-profits-not-our-ticket-offices

We are holding a day of action on ticket offices on Tuesday 23rd August 2022 at stations around the country.
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« Reply #188 on: July 25, 2022, 06:01:42 pm »

This has got just over 7,000 signatures - how many ticket staff are there?!!
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« Reply #189 on: July 25, 2022, 06:07:07 pm »

From GWR (Great Western Railway) - echoing the different groups striking on different days.

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Services on strike days will be extremely limited, and on Saturday 30th July there will be no GWR services on most of the network. Where trains are able to run we are expecting them to be very busy, and the last services will be much earlier than normal. There will also be disruption on Thursday 28th July and Sunday 31st July.

On GWR's strike webpage for Saturday & Sunday...

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The Aslef strike among GWR train drivers on Saturday 30 July will have an even greater impact, and most parts of the GWR network will have no train service.

An extremely limited service will only operate on the routes below. Services will start later and finish much earlier than normal.
Bristol Temple Meads-London Paddington
Bristol Temple Meads-Cardiff Central
Reading to Oxford
Reading to Basingstoke
No other GWR services will run.

Sunday 31 July
Disruption is likely please check before you travel.

Online timetables should be correct on -

For Saturday, tomorrow 26th
For Sunday, Wednesday 27th

The journeyplanners are already updated for last trains tomorrow, Wednesday & early trains on Thursday.
NOTE - no sleepers on Tuesday night, Wednesday night, Friday night nor Sunday night
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« Reply #190 on: July 26, 2022, 07:36:46 am »

Mick Lynch - "We have no problem with genuine modernisation and adapting the way the modern railways work".

OK Mick.

The rail industry actively encourages online ticket purchase and  as far back as 2017 40% of customers were stating that they purchased their tickets always or most frequently online rather than at a ticket counter - this figure is only going to go one way.

.........but insisting that ticket offices are maintained at their current level on pain of National strike action is having "no problem with genuine modernisation".

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« Reply #191 on: July 26, 2022, 08:44:03 am »

But always require an extra payment for it. One example. To move from a hole punch ticket check to using a QR (QR Code - Quick Response code) code reader. Bit like using a scanner rather than a photocopier in an office. But who got additional payment?

And the TSSA» (Transport Salaried Staffs' Association - about) have joined the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) in striking at 7 TOCs (Train Operating Company), including GWR (Great Western Railway),  on August 18 & 20.
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« Reply #192 on: July 26, 2022, 10:54:16 am »

But always require an extra payment for it. One example. To move from a hole punch ticket check to using a QR (QR Code - Quick Response code) code reader. Bit like using a scanner rather than a photocopier in an office. But who got additional payment?

And the TSSA» (Transport Salaried Staffs' Association - about) have joined the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) in striking at 7 TOCs (Train Operating Company), including GWR (Great Western Railway),  on August 18 & 20.

Seriously? A pay rise was demanded for "clipping" a ticket in a different way?

Beyond parody.
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« Reply #193 on: July 26, 2022, 11:18:55 am »

Yep, seriously!
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« Reply #194 on: July 26, 2022, 11:22:51 pm »

Yes, if the ASLEF» (Associated Society of Locomotive Engineers and Firemen - about) strike goes ahead, the service is likely to be extremely limited for the affected operators…far more do than the RMT (National Union of Rail, Maritime & Transport Workers) action.

Given the ASLEF strike is on a Saturday, Sunday could go one of two ways….
Either they’ll all volunteer to work to recoup their losses OR they could decide to have a weekend off.  If I was a betting man, I’d favour the later

If I were management and my staff went on strike, I would ban overtime as a means for staff to recoup loss of wages - even if my company lost out because of it.

If overtime was banned the service would be in chaos on non-strike days, most TOC (Train Operating Company) are seriously short of drivers following limited/no training during Covid.
Grant Scapps made such a comment at the start of the strikes - would imagine RDG(resolve) were horrified and straight on the phone to DfT» (Department for Transport - about) !!!
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