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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2022, 09:28:04 pm »

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And I suspect "a comprehensive review of its diesel fleet" is code for "a one-way HST (High Speed Train) excursion to Booths" but time will tell...

Yes, I think that “comprehensive review” of the diesel fleet has already taken place with a trip to Newport or Rotherham on the agenda for the Castle Class HSTs.

My one wish, after what must be 15-16 years of First running the entire GW (Great Western) network, that they would finally sort out having enough crew at weekends to run the full timetable. Ridiculous that after all this time of First running the GW network, most if not all weekends still have cancellations due to shortage of traincrew.
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2022, 04:51:17 am »

If any new rolling stock is being considered to replace the short HSTs (High Speed Train) in use at present, hopefully lessons will be learnt from the failed IET (Intercity Express Train) project.
Make certain that the new units are ALL delivered before scrapping the old stock.
Do not scrap the old stock until the new units have run with good reliability for at least 12 months.
Ensure that the new units are not too big a backward step in comfort and facilities.

I see no merit in replacing existing stock with new all diesel units. So that means in effect
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Diesel/battery hybrid.
Diesel/battery/25 kv hybrid.

Make certain that they work, even at Dawlish, and in other adverse conditions. Avoid anything too innovative.

Make certain that luggage and cycle space is sufficient for use in areas popular with holidaymakers.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2022, 05:49:49 am »

Can we stop calling it a contract 'extension' please? It's a completely different, new *management*contract.

Legally and technically, you are correct, to most it will appear as an extension.  Either way it is good news for the employees and passengers or in modern parlance team members and customers

If any new rolling stock is being considered to replace the short HSTs (High Speed Train) in use at present, hopefully lessons will be learnt from the failed IET (Intercity Express Train) project.
Make certain that the new units are ALL delivered before scrapping the old stock.
Do not scrap the old stock until the new units have run with good reliability for at least 12 months.
Ensure that the new units are not too big a backward step in comfort and facilities.

I see no merit in replacing existing stock with new all diesel units. So that means in effect
100% battery power.
Diesel/battery hybrid.
Diesel/battery/25 kv hybrid.

Make certain that they work, even at Dawlish, and in other adverse conditions. Avoid anything too innovative.

Make certain that luggage and cycle space is sufficient for use in areas popular with holidaymakers.


Given the recent announcement that GWR (Great Western Railway) are looking for additional EMUs (Electric Multiple Unit) for its fleet my guess is the 'Castles' will be replaced with 5 car 800's
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2022, 08:00:41 am »

Given the recent announcement that GWR (Great Western Railway) are looking for additional EMUs (Electric Multiple Unit) for its fleet my guess is the 'Castles' will be replaced with 5 car 800's

Will that require servicing of 800's somewhere west of Stoke Gifford?
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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2022, 08:06:54 am »

If the Castles are to be replaced by 5 car IETs (Intercity Express Train), then what about main line services ?

It seems that insufficient IETs are available to run the present services, about a dozen half length services today for example.
How is an already often inadequate fleet to cope if several units are to be used elsewhere ?
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2022, 08:15:30 am »

Given the recent announcement that GWR (Great Western Railway) are looking for additional EMUs (Electric Multiple Unit) for its fleet my guess is the 'Castles' will be replaced with 5 car 800's

Will that require servicing of 800's somewhere west of Stoke Gifford?

Is there not already some servicing at Long Rock and at Maliphant?

If the Castles are to be replaced by 5 car IETs (Intercity Express Train), then what about main line services ?

It seems that insufficient IETs are available to run the present services, about a dozen half length services today for example.
How is an already often inadequate fleet to cope if several units are to be used elsewhere ?

Yes, but the 769s will be in service by Christmas (just not telling you which Christmas) and there should be units spare from not running the superfasts that many 5 car units were built for, and more by turning the Bedwyn service into a shuttle from Newbury, or using 769s and replacing the London destination of London (Paddington) with London (Gatwick). If that does not give you enough IETs on a daily basis to meet the timetable requirements, change the timetable to schedule some more trains as 5 cars in the first place.

That comment written to mix the sensible, the pragmatic, and the "don't be silly" - interesting question is to sort out which is which.
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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2022, 08:57:45 am »

If the Castles are to be replaced by 5 car IETs (Intercity Express Train), then what about main line services ?

It seems that insufficient IETs are available to run the present services, about a dozen half length services today for example.
How is an already often inadequate fleet to cope if several units are to be used elsewhere ?

In the medium term some of the Cardiff / Padd stopping services could be replaces with 110mph (387) EMU (Electric Multiple Unit)'s the timings would not be far behind that of a class 800.  If the wires go up to Oxford then all the Oxford fasts could be replaced with 387's (or equivalent 110mph EMU)
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