Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 08:35 19 Mar 2024
- Potholes leave nations' roads at 'breaking point'
- The US Navy's relentless battle against Houthi attacks
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 tomorrow - WWRUG AGM
23/03/24 - Trains restart - Minehead
02/06/24 - Summer Timetable starts
17/08/24 - Bus to Imber

No 'On This Day' events reported for 19th Mar

Train RunningCancelled
08:18 London Paddington to Cardiff Central
08:43 Filton Abbey Wood to Bristol Temple Meads
08:59 Cheltenham Spa to London Paddington
09:50 Cardiff Central to London Paddington
10:41 Cardiff Central to London Paddington
Short Run
07:12 London Paddington to Cardiff Central
07:24 Taunton to London Paddington
07:25 Worcester Shrub Hill to London Paddington
07:28 London Paddington to Bristol Temple Meads
08:32 London Paddington to Cheltenham Spa
PollsOpen and recent polls
Open to 25/03 16:00 Easter Escape - to where?
Closed 2024-03-16 Should our rail network go cashless
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
March 19, 2024, 08:46:36 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[159] A daily picture from my recent travels
[78] Where would you recommend for an Easter Escape?
[68] More travels ... more looking at how others do it ...
[66] M25 motorway issue: a most illuminating Twitter thread.
[55] Briefing on forthcoming changes - from GWR on 14.3.2024
[35] Europeran Rail Timetable
 
News: the Great Western Coffee Shop ... keeping you up to date with travel around the South West
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Pages: [1]
  Print  
Author Topic: Henley Regatta Service - 2022  (Read 3758 times)
bobm
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 9801



View Profile
« on: June 29, 2022, 11:10:38 »

I assume this is for some "operational reason" - but the usual Twyford to Henley and Henley to Twyford arrivals and departures have been replaced by a circular service.



Makes for a rather confusing CIS (Customer Information System) display



Logged
Mark A
Global Moderator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 1287


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2022, 12:16:09 »

Not convinced that everyone will know what a 'Circular route' means in that context.

Not that the majority will immediately think "It's been some time since the railway had the ambition to extend the Henley branch to Marlow, in which case we could certainly have Twyford - Bourne End (reverse) - Maidenhead (reverse) - Twyford."

Mark
Logged
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 40648



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2022, 12:47:29 »

Not convinced that everyone will know what a 'Circular route' means in that context.

It means that Wargrave now has four trains per hour to Twyford  Grin

Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
sunshinehappyness
Newbie
*
Posts: 4


View Profile
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2022, 15:12:51 »

The timings are no different from normal - every 30 minutes, service pattern obviously skips Shiplake in one direction.  I can see they might need to build in a couple more minutes dwell time (hence the skip) and I wonder if this circular route is so they can say every service still stops at all stations?
Logged
Oxonhutch
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 1240



View Profile
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2022, 19:28:05 »

Came past Twyford on P4 today (11h30) heading to PAD» (Paddington (London) - next trains) and the blazers and summer dresses were squeezed into 4 Turbos tighter than any Bakerloo scrum that I have ever seen. And the queue out onto the forecourt was huge. Can't have been a pleasant 10 minutes for the revellers but looked highly profitable for GWR (Great Western Railway).
Logged
IndustryInsider
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 10080


View Profile
« Reply #5 on: July 01, 2022, 20:08:43 »

It’ll be no more profitable for GWR (Great Western Railway) had there be double the number of passengers.   Wink
Logged

To view my GWML (Great Western Main Line) Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 40648



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2022, 21:19:09 »

It’ll be no more profitable for GWR (Great Western Railway) had there be double the number of passengers.   Wink

So is there any motivation for GWR to encourage people to use the train, or is that now a task of the ministry?
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7723



View Profile
« Reply #7 on: July 01, 2022, 22:39:03 »

It’ll be no more profitable for GWR (Great Western Railway) had there be double the number of passengers.   Wink

So is there any motivation for GWR to encourage people to use the train, or is that now a task of the ministry?

.....how about "Five go to Henley"?

They spent a fair few £ on the Enid Blyton campaign, could try to squeeze a few drops out of that?

Logged
stuving
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7148


View Profile
« Reply #8 on: July 01, 2022, 22:45:02 »

It’ll be no more profitable for GWR (Great Western Railway) had there be double the number of passengers.   Wink

So is there any motivation for GWR to encourage people to use the train, or is that now a task of the ministry?


We don't have the text of GWR's NRC, but SWR» (South Western Railway - about)'s is available and no doubt the structure will be much the same. There are, inevitably, incentives. These are listed, but most of the numbers of pounds and some of the key details are omitted. But here's a list of the components of that calculation, and what they are can be guessed. One amount of money is given: the maximum performance based fee is £1,092,307.69 per period.

£PBF = OP (Original Poster / topic starter) + CS + SQ + FIN + BM

£PBF   shall have a value between zero and the Maximum Performance Based Fee in relation to the relevant PBF Assessment Period;
OP    means the sum (in pounds sterling) that is zero or a positive number representing the Operational Performance Fee calculated in accordance with the Applicable Assessment Methodology;
CS    means the sum (in pounds sterling) that is zero or a positive number representing the Customer Satisfaction Fee calculated in accordance with the Applicable Assessment Methodology;
SQ    means the sum (in pounds sterling) that is zero or a positive number representing the Service Quality Standards Fee calculated in accordance with the Applicable Assessment Methodology;
FIN   means the sum (in pounds sterling) that is zero or a positive number representing the Financial Performance Fee determined in accordance with paragraph 2.3; and
BM   means the sum (in pounds sterling) that is zero or a positive number representing the Business Management Fee calculated in accordance with the Applicable Assessment Methodology.

There are two ways of calculating £FIN, depending on something (Shapps, I think):
FIN(Cost) + FIN(Revenue) + FIN(TT)   or
FIN(Profit) + FIN(TT)

For operational performance, the further breakdown is:

The value of OP for the purposes of the formula set out in paragraph 2.2 of Chapter 7.2 shall be calculated as the aggregate of the calculations performed with respect to each Reporting Period in the relevant PBF Assessment Period pursuant to paragraphs 2.2 to 2.4 of this Appendix 5 to Chapter 7.2 (as applicable), in respect of each of:
(a) TOC (Train Operating Company) on Self Cancellations;
(b) TOC Minutes Delay;
(c) Short Formations;
(d) T-3;
(e) T-15; and
(f) All Cancellations.

In most cases that I can see, upper and and lower target levels are defined and the relevant payment component scales from zero to its defined maximum over that range. A lot of words are involved in this process (I can't guarantee that none were harmed).
« Last Edit: July 02, 2022, 12:17:54 by stuving » Logged
IndustryInsider
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 10080


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: July 02, 2022, 11:40:48 »

It’ll be no more profitable for GWR (Great Western Railway) had there be double the number of passengers.   Wink

So is there any motivation for GWR to encourage people to use the train, or is that now a task of the ministry?

So, to sum up Stuving's post.  There's a lot less incentive than there was before.
Logged

To view my GWML (Great Western Main Line) Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 7723



View Profile
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2022, 12:29:24 »

It’ll be no more profitable for GWR (Great Western Railway) had there be double the number of passengers.   Wink

So is there any motivation for GWR to encourage people to use the train, or is that now a task of the ministry?

So, to sum up Stuving's post.  There's a lot less incentive than there was before.

...........and let's face it, they never tried particularly hard when there was.
Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1]
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page