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« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2022, 09:44:44 am »


Almost - there is a passing place at Goonbarrow Junction, and it may be double (not sure) first couple of miles from Par to St Blazey.

You're right about the two-track section from Par to St Blazey

Capacity on the branch is severely constrained by the (lack of) infrastructure.  Reduction of Newquay to  a single platform in 1987 and abolition of St Dennis Junction as a passing loop (1982??) are cutbacks that have proved costly during the summer months in terms of operations, and which really could do with being reversed
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« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2022, 10:46:48 am »

Some views of the out of use second platform at Newquay over the years.







It doesn't look as though the existing platform at Newquay was built out and the track slewed when the second one was taken out of use.   That's not to say it won't be expensive to re-instate it!
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« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2022, 11:48:41 am »

Here is what was done on summer Saturdays in the late 1960s ...



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« Reply #18 on: August 11, 2022, 01:14:13 pm »

Thanks for digging that out. The timetable notes are particularly rewarding.

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« Reply #19 on: August 11, 2022, 01:35:16 pm »


It doesn't look as though the existing platform at Newquay was built out and the track slewed when the second one was taken out of use.   That's not to say it won't be expensive to re-instate it!

The platform currently in use as a dead-end has two faces, iirc.  I know it's not easy, but it wouldn't be an insoluble challenge to have track on both sides.  Control of the pointwork would be the most tricky question, I suspect
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« Reply #20 on: August 11, 2022, 01:53:08 pm »

The Newquay branch. I don't know it. Is it a 20 mile single line with no passing places and a single terminating platform? To a town of 20,000, but one that can see 80,000 visitors at a time?

That's a recipe for unending pain, why is the railway bothering? (Or rather, why are the politicians pretending that  that's ok, 'cos the Newquay branch sounds to be a 1960s slash-and-burn relic.)

TSNO, the four letter acronym for 'Train Service in Name Only'.

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Almost - there is a passing place at Goonbarrow Junction, and it may be double (not sure) first couple of miles from Par to St Blazey.

The midCornwall Metro is looking at adding another loop and a second platform at Newquay. So perhaps the political types are NOT pretending it's OK

Absolutely, Graham, in fact no-one ("political types" or railway) is pretending the Newquay line is OK as it is now, hence, as you say, the Mid Cornwall Metro project which Cornwall Council have been pursuing for more than ten years.  As mentioned in the thread specifically about it, things are looking positive with two good looking routes to the funding - Restoring Your Railway and Levelling Up Funds.

It's only three-quarters of a mile from Par to St Blazey.

I know the GWR (Great Western Railway) team who plan GWR's response to special events.  They are very experienced and do their absolute best with the resources and capacity (train and physical) available.  Hopefully the rest of Boardmasters rail-wise will go better than yesterday.    Always tough though when trains between London and Cornwall are very, very busy already.
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« Reply #21 on: August 11, 2022, 01:54:48 pm »

Some views of the out of use second platform at Newquay over the years.







It doesn't look as though the existing platform at Newquay was built out and the track slewed when the second one was taken out of use.   That's not to say it won't be expensive to re-instate it!

As I understand it, Bob, the plan is to reinstate the other side of the operational platform if the funding comes through.
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« Reply #22 on: August 11, 2022, 11:05:09 pm »

1N78 and 1A94 discovered on Wednesday that two 9 cars IETs (Intercity Express Train) can’t fit past each other in one of the passing loops. Resulted in 1N78 reversing back off the branch and 45 min late arrivals
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« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2022, 08:44:10 am »

All the more reason to double the line between Tregoss Moor and St Dennis Junction, which I believe is planned,
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« Reply #24 on: August 12, 2022, 09:17:36 am »

1N78 and 1A94 discovered on Wednesday that two 9 cars IETs (Intercity Express Train) can’t fit past each other in one of the passing loops. Resulted in 1N78 reversing back off the branch and 45 min late arrivals

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« Reply #25 on: August 12, 2022, 11:48:20 am »

Hitachi say a 9 car Azuma (Brand name for Class 80x trains on LNER) train is 234m long.  The current version of the Sectional Appendix says the length of the crossing loop at Goonbarrow Jcn is 224m.  Ooops.

Goonbarrow Junction crossing loop used to be shown as 42 wagons + engine and van, which I reckon would convert to over 270m, so there has been some shrinkage since the 1970s
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« Reply #26 on: August 12, 2022, 11:59:15 am »

Was it Goonbarrow?  I'd heard it was at St Blazey.
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« Reply #27 on: August 12, 2022, 12:10:44 pm »


Seems to have been on the double line between Par and St Blazey.
9 car IET (Intercity Express Train) EDMUs are scheduled on occasions  to cross at Goonbarrow Jn.

Possibly the NR» (Network Rail - home page) local MOM (Mobile Operations Manager) (whose regular photos appear on the Cornwall Rly Soc. website and Twitter etc might in due course give an update.
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« Reply #28 on: August 12, 2022, 12:53:30 pm »

No doubt all will become clear in time.  Apologies for jumping the gun
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« Reply #29 on: August 12, 2022, 02:13:20 pm »

Real Time Trains suggests they were scheduled to pass each other between Par and St Blazey.

1A94 left Newquay on time at 14:55, and indeed Goonbarrow, on time but picked up a delay of well over half an hour between there are St Blazey where it called at 16:15 / 16:16 versus a schedule of 15:37 / 15:38

1N78 left Par on time at 15:31, but didn't call at St Blazey until 16:11 to 16:17, versus a schedule of 15:33 / 15:39. It trailed into Newquay 44 minutes late at 17:06.   It set off back at 17:25 (versus a 16:50 schedule) ...
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