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« on: October 04, 2022, 10:04:07 am »

It is possible if there is the will and the market

https://www.scotrail.co.uk/scotrail-highland-explorer

"Working in partnership with Transport Scotland" presumably means some level of subsidy (in addition to normal rail subsidy?). It will be interesting to see how long the service survives.
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2022, 01:49:33 pm »

I suspect that other TOCs (Train Operating Company) are watching this with concern, lest it be demanded elsewhere. For years most TOCs have been making carriage of cycles more complex and limited in numbers. Often called "improvements" See here for example http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=24068.0

I can remember when almost every train had a guards van/luggage van and cycles and other bulky items were carried therein without problems, even on local services. And on HSTs (High Speed Train) bulky items were, at busy holiday times, conveyed in the power cars IN ADDITION to the normal luggage area. "Obviously" no similar provision can be made these days.

There might well be a strictly unofficial view that Scotrail have "let the side down" by providing decent cycle accommodation.

Whatever next ! surfboards to popular surfing resorts ?

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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2022, 03:48:13 pm »

It is possible if there is the will and the market

https://www.scotrail.co.uk/scotrail-highland-explorer

"Working in partnership with Transport Scotland" presumably means some level of subsidy (in addition to normal rail subsidy?). It will be interesting to see how long the service survives.

An interesting development.  Will it be extended to other suitable routes?  Are there any suitable routes within the GWR (Great Western Railway) area?
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2022, 03:54:35 pm »

I think you can take it as read it's not being paid for out of revenue. If you remember this, we have figures for the line from 2019/20:
revenue per service: £871 - twice any other rural line, and not far from half an intercity one
cost to run per service: £1585
total subsidy per year: £4.92M
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2022, 11:01:49 pm »

I think you can take it as read it's not being paid for out of revenue. If you remember this, we have figures for the line from 2019/20:
revenue per service: £871 - twice any other rural line, and not far from half an intercity one
cost to run per service: £1585
total subsidy per year: £4.92M

Yes, almost certainly not directly economic, but TPTB (The Powers That Be) have decided, correctly in my view, that the drain on the public purse is worth paying in order to encourage tourism, and encourage greener transport options.

Unlike the Westcountry where provision for cyclists is generally poor, luggage space very limited, and surfboards prohibited.
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2022, 06:52:06 am »

Scotland is the only area, that I am aware of, that has done an economic evaluation of the benefits of cycle tourism.
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« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2022, 05:33:55 pm »

Scotland is the only area, that I am aware of, that has done an economic evaluation of the benefits of cycle tourism.

Whilst this is primarily to encourage cycle tourism, presumably there is some benefit to local residents also. Thinking of those who live within cycling distance of a station, but too far to walk.
Could make train and cycle more attractive for travel to work, rather than driving.

Elsewhere in these forums I referred to a proposal to convert some class 455 DC (Direct Current) EMUs (Electric Multiple Unit) to battery power for use on West Country branch lines. Part of the proposal was to convert part of one vehicle to 2+0 seating to accommodate bulky luggage, baby carriages, AND CYCLES.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2022, 05:43:09 pm »

Isn't there a practical problem here?

The Scottish provision is only possible because there are a few redundant single coach diesel units around, compatible with their current trains, and available for conversion for this use.

Any more widespread adoption would eat into the already limited diesel passenger fleet.

From my recent trips to West Scotland, I'd say definitely this is for visitors, not residents. Understandably in the light of the terrain and weather not many locals are seen on pedal cycles.   
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