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« on: December 11, 2022, 09:47:59 »

With the HST (High Speed Train) and derivative fleet here in decline, here's an interesting alternative view from Australia:

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/11/flights-were-expensive-so-i-took-the-overnight-sydney-to-melbourne-train-it-was-cheap-and-cheerful-at-first

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« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2022, 12:56:32 »

Thanks for this.  A few years ago, I did the day train from Sydney to Melbourne.  10 hrs 50 mins.  Obviously a long time on a train but I had a window seat and enjoyed it.  Not expensive - $72 as I remember.   Was tickled that the buffet offered a "Devonshire tea" around 11 00.  It was indeed a cream tea with hot scones.  Hope to do it again one day. 

Here's the timetable  https://transportnsw.info/documents/timetables/93-621-Southern-NSW-20190907.pdf
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« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2022, 14:32:52 »

'Morning Tea' is an institution - particularly so in New Zealand. I agree with your comments. I did Brisbane to Coff's Harbour some years ago, sitting on the left hand side, anticipating lots of lovely sea views. The sea was out of sight for every yard of the journey! But still very enjoyable.
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2022, 12:22:04 »

Might be worth noting that Melbourne to Sydney is almost exactly the same distance (as the crow flies) as Paris to Melbourne - would be a 3h trip on a TGV (Train a Grande Vitesse).

Two 5m+ population cities with Canberra in the middle, should be one of those no-brainers like Madrid <> Barcelona.   
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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2022, 12:55:22 »

Might be worth noting that Melbourne to Sydney is almost exactly the same distance (as the crow flies) as Paris to Melbourne

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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2022, 14:32:42 »

Might be worth noting that Melbourne to Sydney is almost exactly the same distance (as the crow flies) as Paris to Melbourne

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I've read this a few times, and still think you're 10,000 miles out  Wink

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I'm wondering if Eurostar has been extended to Derbyshire?  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2022, 20:30:26 »

^^ My apologies Sydney (AU) to Melbourne (AU) similar distance to Paris (FR) to Marseille (FR) ;-)

Now you've got me thinking, Brisbane to Roma (both in Queensland) is in fact more or less the same distance as Paris to Lyon, with the couple of trains a week taking 10 hours, but I'm not sure the population really justifies a TGV (Train a Grande Vitesse) service ;-) 
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« Reply #7 on: December 13, 2022, 09:56:21 »

We did the Sydney > Brisbane overnighter in September 2016. I don't recall exactly how much it cost but remember thinking it was pretty good value. A decent hot meal was served before bedtime. And before it got dark the scenery in and around the Hawkesbury River was absolutely fantastic.
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« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2022, 10:03:46 »

Thanks for this.  A few years ago, I did the day train from Sydney to Melbourne.  10 hrs 50 mins.  Obviously a long time on a train but I had a window seat and enjoyed it.  Not expensive - $72 as I remember.   Was tickled that the buffet offered a "Devonshire tea" around 11 00.  It was indeed a cream tea with hot scones.  Hope to do it again one day. 

Here's the timetable  https://transportnsw.info/documents/timetables/93-621-Southern-NSW-20190907.pdf

Fascinating. In another era I spent a few winter days in Adelaide, in the process visiting the Belair National Park - by train, the station being at the edge of Adelaide's suburban network. Forthcoming travels involved various ticket transactions both local and long distance as one of us was headed for the 'Ghan' at least one of the tickets had been booked and needed collecting. I recall a conversation at the ticket counter which involved the ticket person raising an eyebrow at our almost straightforward request, looking at paperwork, and responding, not unkindly, 'Well, since you're a pom we've *probably* f**ked it up'.

Then, alone, a day marked by cold and occasional torrential rain, but an enjoyable explore of the national park - the line that carries the suburban trains has more distant ambitions as it's also the route to far-away Melbourne, winding away across and eventually through the hills to the south east of Adelaide.

I walked as far as one of the tunnels, damp in the hills among the leaf-drooping eucalyptus. Returning to Belair station, which is  thoroughly heritage, the trip back to Adelaide gave the opportunity to check out the various points at which the first iteration of the line had been improved by the easing of curves, new bridges and at one point I seem to recall a tunnel abandoned by the railway.

At that time there was no through service to Melbourne, so when the time came to make the journey it was on to a coach for the first half of the trip to a small town called Dimboola, then at the outer reach of services from Melbourne, and basking in crisp cool winter sunlight. Ample time for the connection, so I walked up to Dimboola's main street as I needed a bank. While at the counter, a resident came in and slapped down a sheep's hide as though going to deposit it, which felt far too stereotypical for words.

Back to the station, onto the train, and the journey to Melbourne continued, though not without incident as miscreants from Ballarat  lobbed a brick at one of the carriage windows, breaking it. A quick inspection from the train crew, and on we went. On arrival at Melbourne, a team was waiting on the platform with a replacement window, so it can be said that Spencer Street Station people are well prepared for such happenings.

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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2022, 08:28:30 »

Today there's a comparison of various modes on that journey. I expect the results would be rather different for a comparable journey in Britain!
https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2022/dec/10/planes-trains-and-automobiles-comparing-cost-speed-and-emissions-of-sydney-melbourne-travel
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