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From The MetroThe orange spaghetti string that is the London Overground could soon all lines have individual names as part of a £4,000,000 plan by TfL» .
Transport for London has announced a plan to individually name all six of the London Overground lines to make wayfinding less of a chore.
Right now, crisscrossing orange double lines cover the Tube map, with many of the lines having interchanges between them.
So the transit body has set aside four million of its £13,000,000 in City Hall funding to explore renaming the lines, its budget published this month says. Sadly ... Usually, it’s up to TfL and City Hall to come up with tube line names and may consult with local authorities and advocacy group London TravelWatch.
This means it’s unlikely the public will have much of a say in what the six routes should be renamed to – so maybe don’t expect a Barking McBarking Face line just yet. Oh COME ON - let's come up with some good names. I can find a few names coined unofficially that have become official ... including some very close to home. Suggestions, please! |
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grahame
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2023, 01:45:47 » |
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Here are the lines involved ... as I read it ...
1. Euston to Watford Junction
"DC▸ Lines"
2. Richmond and Clapham Junction to Stratford (routes join at Willesden Junction)
"North London Line"?
3. Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside
"Gobl Line"?
4. Highbury and Islington via Thames Tunnel to Clapham Junction / West Croydon / New Cross / Crystal Palace
"East London Line"?
5. Liverpool Street to Enfield Town / Cheshunt / Chingford
"Jazz service"?
6. Romford to Upminster
"The Waif"
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grahame
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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2023, 10:33:31 » |
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From the precedent of Victoria and Elizabeth ... after famous people ...
Churchill
Charles
Darwin
Beeching
Stevenson
Trevithick
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2023, 11:00:00 » |
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Here are the lines involved ... as I read it ...
1. Euston to Watford Junction
"DC▸ Lines"
2. Richmond and Clapham Junction to Stratford (routes join at Willesden Junction)
"North London Line"?
3. Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside
"Gobl Line"?
4. Highbury and Islington via Thames Tunnel to Clapham Junction / West Croydon / New Cross / Crystal Palace
"East London Line"?
5. Liverpool Street to Enfield Town / Cheshunt / Chingford
"Jazz service"?
6. Romford to Upminster
"The Waif" Agree with bringing bank 1-4 as they served well - fully descriptive. However 3 was actually called "Goblin Line" |
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« Reply #4 on: March 25, 2023, 11:20:01 » |
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I can't remember now if it was here or elseweb that confusion was caused by someone referring to "the overground" – or possibly even "the Overground". So giving them names might be useful, though it's also useful to distinguish between underground (or Underground) and overground (or Overground) lines.
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« Reply #5 on: March 25, 2023, 12:05:06 » |
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My preference is quite boring really - numbers. Other cities use Line 1, Line 2 etc. German cities have U & S numbered routes.
Though the Overground will probably end up with named lines that some will detest and others cheer.
Incidentally I also read that even if the lines are renamed / numbered they will still keep the orange lines on the map, so won't be any easier to distinguish between them.
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« Reply #6 on: March 25, 2023, 16:01:32 » |
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Numbers, instead of names will help distinguish Overground from Underground networks. Perhaps an "O" prefix followed by a number and with hopefully no possibility of confusion with the O2 arena.
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« Reply #7 on: March 25, 2023, 18:36:11 » |
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Here are the lines involved ... as I read it ...
1. Euston to Watford Junction
"DC▸ Lines"
2. Richmond and Clapham Junction to Stratford (routes join at Willesden Junction)
"North London Line"?
3. Gospel Oak to Barking Riverside
"Gobl Line"?
4. Highbury and Islington via Thames Tunnel to Clapham Junction / West Croydon / New Cross / Crystal Palace
"East London Line"?
5. Liverpool Street to Enfield Town / Cheshunt / Chingford
"Jazz service"?
6. Romford to Upminster
"The Waif"
But how would these cover the fact that many of the services extend beyond those older names, for eample the East London line extends to West Croydon and Clapham Junction? I think TfL» could be looking for non geographic similar in idea to the Elizabeth Line |
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grahame
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« Reply #8 on: March 25, 2023, 19:39:24 » |
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But how would these cover the fact that many of the services extend beyond those older names, for eample the East London line extends to West Croydon and Clapham Junction? Perhaps you don't? The "Northern Line" already includes the southern most station on the Underground. "North London Line" and "East London Line" work well for those two in that they pass to the north and the east; slight concern at "North London Line" and "Northern Line" getting confused? I think TfL» could be looking for non geographic similar in idea to the Elizabeth Line I suspect so. Name them after formidable women - Florence (Nightingale) Line, Emmeline (Pankhurst) Line, Mary (Sea cole) Line, Bodicea Line, Margaret (Thatcher) Line and Theresa (May) Line. |
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2023, 14:44:34 » |
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As for colours – this will have to be very carefully thought out to keep them distinct. Probably some lines will have to be a combination of colours (eg red outline with blue infill). It's still going to get messy at different scales. And as a colourblind friend says, "Will it work in greyscale?"
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2023, 15:03:13 » |
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From the precedent of Victoria and Elizabeth ... after famous people ...
Churchill
Charles
Darwin
Beeching
Stevenson
Trevithick
Not enough diversity there I'm afraid, all old white men! |
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grahame
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2023, 18:42:23 » |
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From the precedent of Victoria and Elizabeth ... after famous people ...
Churchill
Charles
Darwin
Beeching
Stevenson
Trevithick
Not enough diversity there I'm afraid, all old white men! See my alternative suggestion up-thread. Nightingale, Seacole, Pankhurst, etc |
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« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2023, 07:11:56 » |
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As for colours – this will have to be very carefully thought out to keep them distinct. Probably some lines will have to be a combination of colours (eg red outline with blue infill). It's still going to get messy at different scales. And as a colourblind friend says, "Will it work in greyscale?"
I have problems differentiating the existing range of colours, so they are going to have to vary texture (dashed, filled, etc) as well for some of us to have a chance. Quite challenging with the pocket Tube map. |
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« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2023, 13:34:49 » |
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But how would these cover the fact that many of the services extend beyond those older names, for eample the East London line extends to West Croydon and Clapham Junction? Perhaps you don't? The "Northern Line" already includes the southern most station on the Underground. "North London Line" and "East London Line" work well for those two in that they pass to the north and the east; slight concern at "North London Line" and "Northern Line" getting confused? I think TfL» could be looking for non geographic similar in idea to the Elizabeth Line I suspect so. Name them after formidable women - Florence (Nightingale) Line, Emmeline (Pankhurst) Line, Mary (Sea cole) Line, Bodicea Line, Margaret (Thatcher) Line and Theresa (May) Line. I have a feeling Mayor Khan isn't going to allow a line to be named after Margaret Thatcher. Just a hunch. Could be wrong |
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« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2023, 18:55:40 » |
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Name them after formidable women - Florence (Nightingale) Line, Emmeline (Pankhurst) Line, Mary (Seacole) Line, Bodicea Line, Margaret (Thatcher) Line and Theresa (May) Line.
The overground is actually more than one line so could have more than one name - though problem with more colours (but Paris seems to manage). Perhaps the name Boadicea could be given to the line heading more in an East Anglian Direction? |
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