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« on: February 24, 2024, 15:10:53 »

Hi all,

I heard a rumour recently that suggested GWR (Great Western Railway) are planning to withdraw IET (Intercity Express Train) sets permanently due to rusting/corroding bolts. Does anybody have more information on this? Or is it untrue
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« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2024, 17:10:48 »

Hi all,

I heard a rumour recently that suggested GWR are planning to withdraw IET (Intercity Express Train) sets permanently due to rusting/corroding bolts. Does anybody have more information on this? Or is it untrue

.............rumour didn't come from a certain Port quaffing member of this esteemed forum by any chance?  Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2024, 17:45:58 »

No it didn't thankfully
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2024, 19:01:02 »

There’s loads of rumours surrounding IETs (Intercity Express Train)!

Most, if not all, concern their withdrawal.  We can only hope one, just one, turns out to be true.   Grin
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« Reply #4 on: February 24, 2024, 19:24:07 »

Build some more HSTs (High Speed Train) !
Not of course an exact copy of a near 50 year old design, but something similar in design.
A BIMODE power car or locomotive at each end, no more underfloor bus gin palace engines.
Total train length similar to a 5+5 car IET (Intercity Express Train).
Buffet car, padded seats, tables, luggage space etc.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #5 on: February 24, 2024, 20:36:51 »

Build some more HSTs (High Speed Train) !
Not of course an exact copy of a near 50 year od design, but something simiar in design.
A BIMODE power car or locomotive at each end, no more underfloor bus gin palace engines.
Total train length similar to a 5+5 car IET (Intercity Express Train).
Buffet car, padded seats, tables, luggage space etc.

I had a vague, yet somehow certain feeling that one would come along!  Wink
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« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2024, 13:36:42 »

Build some more HSTs (High Speed Train) !
Not of course an exact copy of a near 50 year old design, but something similar in design.
A BIMODE power car or locomotive at each end, no more underfloor bus gin palace engines.
Total train length similar to a 5+5 car IET (Intercity Express Train).
Buffet car, padded seats, tables, luggage space etc.

I had a vague, yet somehow certain feeling that one would come along!  Wink

And what exactly is wrong with calling for proper trains to replace IETs ? With the features listed above, and also fixed formation. No flexible train length as flexible means shorter.
Before the wretched things were even introduced it was clear that they represented a backward step in comfort and facilities They have now been in service for some years and poor build quality and unreliability are major problems.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2024, 21:04:55 »

I heard a rumour recently that suggested GWR are planning to withdraw IET (Intercity Express Train) sets permanently due to rusting/corroding bolts. Does anybody have more information on this? Or is it untrue

Where are the replacement 93 trainsets coming from?

(other than the Strategic Reserve in Box Tunnel, obviously)
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« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2024, 23:26:16 »

Hopefully not every unit will need immediate withdrawal, some might be be allowed to run for months yet.
Some spare stock s available, the ex-TPE (Trans Pennine Express) stock has already been suggested, and there are still some surviving HSTs (High Speed Train) stored. mainline passed stock from heritage lines is another possibility. Not adequate but a lot better than nothing.
Building loco hauled coaches  is well understood and relatively quick.
The special bi-mode locomotives/power cars would take longer, but in the short term existing diesel locos would be better than nothing.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2024, 09:11:50 »

Sounds like a great idea to me.  Perhaps it will allow GWR (Great Western Railway) to operate that service to Fantasy Island at long last so we can come visit you.
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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2024, 09:24:15 »

I heard a rumour recently that suggested GWR are planning to withdraw IET (Intercity Express Train) sets permanently due to rusting/corroding bolts. Does anybody have more information on this? Or is it untrue

Where are the replacement 93 trainsets coming from?

(other than the Strategic Reserve in Box Tunnel, obviously)

I think I have now realised why Network Rail have not remedied the persistent issues with flooding in various parts of the network. I contend that they are covert water troughs designed to support the Strategic Reserve.
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2024, 11:40:08 »

Surely Hitachi are on the hook for these trains and a failure to provide sufficient sets a day costs them a few quid. I know they’re not responsible for the ‘lovely’ carriage interiors but you would think they’d make sure the exteriors were fine and mechanically sound.

Then again this is just a rumour isn’t it.
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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2024, 12:09:26 »

They are never going to get rid of the 800s. With all the variants there are 262 sets from the 395 Javelin to Aurora 810s
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« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2024, 12:41:13 »

Then again this is just a rumour isn’t it.

Indeed.  Perhaps GWR (Great Western Railway) 158 can tell us from where he heard the rumour?
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« Reply #14 on: February 26, 2024, 13:13:53 »

Hi all,

I heard a rumour recently that suggested GWR are planning to withdraw IET (Intercity Express Train) sets permanently due to rusting/corroding bolts. Does anybody have more information on this? Or is it untrue

I've had a look at RTT» (Real Time Trains - website) for my local station (Tiverton Parkway) and only four of the GWR trains stopping or passing through today are not 80x types. 3 are 158s doing positional stuff I suppose. The other outlier is the only loco hauled service of the day, the sleeper, which was part-cancelled and began at Reading instead of Paddington. That would be a lot to replace. Given that they are largely running to time, I very much doubt that will happen.
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