Train GraphicClick on the map to explore geographics
 
I need help
FAQ
Emergency
About .
Travel & transport from BBC stories as at 15:55 04 Oct 2024
 
- Airlines look to cut time spent on the tarmac
Read about the forum [here].
Register [here] - it's free.
What do I gain from registering? [here]
 11/10/24 - TWSW General Meeting
22/10/24 - BoA Public Transport talk
25/10/24 - Melksham Transport Group
27/11/24 - WWRUG, Trowbridge

On this day
4th Oct (1976)
HST - first public service (link)

Train RunningCancelled
13:03 London Paddington to Plymouth
15:15 Plymouth to London Paddington
15:42 Exeter St Davids to London Paddington
15:54 Reading to Gatwick Airport
16:54 Cardiff Central to London Paddington
16:58 London Paddington to Great Malvern
17:04 Didcot Parkway to Moreton-In-Marsh
17:29 Gatwick Airport to Reading
18:23 London Paddington to Banbury
18:45 Exeter St Davids to Okehampton
18:51 Evesham to Oxford
19:05 Great Malvern to London Paddington
19:24 Reading to Gatwick Airport
19:31 Okehampton to Exeter Central
19:45 Banbury to London Paddington
20:19 Exeter Central to Barnstaple
21:41 Barnstaple to Exeter St Davids
23:40 Exeter St Davids to Exmouth
05/10/24 00:19 Exmouth to Exeter St Davids
Short Run
10:59 Cardiff Central to Penzance
12:30 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
13:30 Cardiff Central to Portsmouth Harbour
13:48 London Paddington to Carmarthen
14:09 London Paddington to Cardiff Central
15:08 Didcot Parkway to London Paddington
15:23 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
15:45 Bristol Temple Meads to Warminster
16:24 Portsmouth Harbour to Cardiff Central
Delayed
14:23 Swansea to London Paddington
Additional 14:57 Bristol Temple Meads to Cardiff Central
15:47 Plymouth to Penzance
PollsOpen and recent polls
Open to 24/10 03:05 Purely a light-hearted question, but who do you bet on?
Abbreviation pageAcronymns and abbreviations
Stn ComparatorStation Comparator
Rail newsNews Now - live rail news feed
Site Style 1 2 3 4
Next departures • Bristol Temple MeadsBath SpaChippenhamSwindonDidcot ParkwayReadingLondon PaddingtonMelksham
Exeter St DavidsTauntonWestburyTrowbridgeBristol ParkwayCardiff CentralOxfordCheltenham SpaBirmingham New Street
October 04, 2024, 16:07:12 *
Welcome, Guest. Please login or register.

Login with username, password and session length
Forgotten your username or password? - get a reminder
Most recently liked subjects
[106] 6. Catering
[71] Meet the Director, 3 October - an update
[44] Euston: a five point plan
[43] TODAY! Meet the Manager - on the forum and on Zoom
[41] vote for your favourite rail leaf cleaner
[41] New entrance, Bakerloo Line, Paddington. Opened October 2024
 
News: A forum for passengers ... with input from rail professionals welcomed too
 
   Home   Help Search Calendar Login Register  
Linked Events
  • King's speech / GBR: July 17, 2024
Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
Author Topic: GBR to be in Kings Speech, 17 July 2024  (Read 4773 times)
ChrisB
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 12723


View Profile Email
« on: July 06, 2024, 13:32:43 »

GB (Great Britain) Railways legislation will be in the King's speech on July 17th I'm told.

[edit] - added to calendar - grahame
« Last Edit: July 07, 2024, 07:09:48 by grahame » Logged
Electric train
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4444


The future is 25000 Volts AC 750V DC has its place


View Profile
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2024, 06:56:16 »

GB (Great Britain) Railways legislation will be in the King's speech on July 17th I'm told.

I agree.  At an on-line routine internal briefing form directors last week the conversation included GBR (Great British Railways) legislation being part of a future Government agenda.

Listening to the post election commentary of most of the political main media commentators is the Labour party have been holding regular discussions with Civil Servants, NHS, Network Rail, RDG(resolve), MOD etc since January are very prepared for Government.

GBR will have prepared the information for the new Railway Act for either a Conservative or Labour win both will have shared with GBR what their policy is; there will still be detailed work to do for the Act
Logged

Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 42020



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2024, 07:08:30 »

I have split this topic off from the "General Election" thread (here) - so important that it shouldn't get lost in the election stuff. We are now on to the real work of a new government.
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 42020



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #3 on: July 17, 2024, 12:18:10 »

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)

Quote
Legislation will see the establishment of Great British Railways, and bring train operators into public ownership - something the party has pledged to do within five years.

"My ministers will bring forward legislation to improve the railways by reforming rail franchising, establishing Great British Railways and bringing train operators into public ownership," the King says.

Quote
There are also plans to roll out "greater devolution" of decision making to metro mayors and combined authorities in England, give local leaders power over bus services, as well as work to "strengthen" Westminster's relationship with the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish governments
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
grahame
Administrator
Hero Member
*****
Posts: 42020



View Profile WWW Email
« Reply #4 on: July 17, 2024, 14:02:32 »

Rail News, prior to the formal speech which was widely expected, wrote a nice history of franchising

Quote
Private Train Operators brace for royal dismissal

His Majesty the King is expected to give contracted private passenger train operators their notice today, as he presents the government’s legislative programme in the House of Lords following the Labour landslide in the general election on 4 July.

It has been reported that the King’s Speech will include 35 bills, one of which will create the new ‘directing mind’, Great British Railways. GBR (Great British Railways) will have the power to take control of the present National Rail Contracts when they expire, reach a break point or are terminated early for breach of contract.

The end of the line for the remaining private sector contracts will be formally announced more than 28 years since the first franchises were awarded in December 1995, as part of railway privatisation under John Major’s Conservative government.

Since then a total of 97 passenger contracts have been launched, suspended, terminated early or been allowed to run to their full term. Nearly all were controlled by the private sector.

The first franchises to take over from British Rail were First Great Western and South West Trains, which both started on 4 February 1996. The last franchise to be launched was Avanti West Coast, on 8 December 2019, when it replaced Virgin Trains West Coast.
Logged

Coffee Shop Admin, Acting Chair of Melksham Rail User Group, Option 24/7 Melksham Rep
JayMac
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 19097



View Profile
« Reply #5 on: July 17, 2024, 16:00:50 »

Small correction to that article. The original franchisee from February 1996 for services from London to Wales and the West was Great Western Trains (GWT). This became First Great Western in December 1998 when FirstGroup bought out the other GWT shareholders.
Logged

"Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for the rest of the day. Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life."

- Sir Terry Pratchett.
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 8198



View Profile
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2024, 20:40:47 »

Rail News, prior to the formal speech which was widely expected, wrote a nice history of franchising

Quote
Private Train Operators brace for royal dismissal

His Majesty the King is expected to give contracted private passenger train operators their notice today, as he presents the government’s legislative programme in the House of Lords following the Labour landslide in the general election on 4 July.

It has been reported that the King’s Speech will include 35 bills, one of which will create the new ‘directing mind’, Great British Railways. GBR (Great British Railways) will have the power to take control of the present National Rail Contracts when they expire, reach a break point or are terminated early for breach of contract.

The end of the line for the remaining private sector contracts will be formally announced more than 28 years since the first franchises were awarded in December 1995, as part of railway privatisation under John Major’s Conservative government.

Since then a total of 97 passenger contracts have been launched, suspended, terminated early or been allowed to run to their full term. Nearly all were controlled by the private sector.

The first franchises to take over from British Rail were First Great Western and South West Trains, which both started on 4 February 1996. The last franchise to be launched was Avanti West Coast, on 8 December 2019, when it replaced Virgin Trains West Coast.

The existing franchisees will do little more than keep the lights on for the remainder of their term, knowing that there's no prospect of renewal, and no incentive to improve or perform beyond the contractually specified minimum.

The short term, until all these "nationalisation" plans are put in place may well be pretty grim, with no guarantee of things improving when back in public ownership.
Logged
ChrisB
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 12723


View Profile Email
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2024, 21:10:33 »

So, franchise expiry dates now are -
Greater Anglia - 15 September 2024
West Midlands Railway / London Northwestern Railway - 15 September 2024

ThamesLink / Southern / Great Northern - 1 April 2025
Chiltern Railways - 1 April 2025
South Western Railway - 5 May 2025
GWR (Great Western Railway) - 22 June 2025
C2C - 20 July 2025

Avanti West Coast - 18 October 2026
EMR» (East Midlands Railway, also known as EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about) (East Midlands Trains) - about) - 18 October 2026

XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) - 15 October 2027
Logged
TonyN
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 487



View Profile
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2024, 21:52:11 »

So, franchise expiry dates now are -
Greater Anglia - 15 September 2024
West Midlands Railway / London Northwestern Railway - 15 September 2024

ThamesLink / Southern / Great Northern - 1 April 2025
Chiltern Railways - 1 April 2025
South Western Railway - 5 May 2025
GWR (Great Western Railway) - 22 June 2025
C2C - 20 July 2025

Avanti West Coast - 18 October 2026
EMR» (East Midlands Railway, also known as EMT» (East Midlands Trains - about) (East Midlands Trains) - about) - 18 October 2026

XC (Cross Country Trains (franchise)) - 15 October 2027
Cross Country could do rather well out of that After Oct 26 theirs will be the only app you can buy tickets on without paying extra commision. Smiley
Logged
IndustryInsider
Data Manager
Hero Member
******
Posts: 10282


View Profile
« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2024, 09:59:59 »

The existing franchisees will do little more than keep the lights on for the remainder of their term, knowing that there's no prospect of renewal, and no incentive to improve or perform beyond the contractually specified minimum.

There’s an argument that all they’ve been doing is keeping the lights on anyway, so I don’t see much difference to be honest. 

The holders of the NRC’s have pretty much all had their terms extended whether shockingly bad or quite good.  The only exception I can think of is TPE (Trans Pennine Express)…and there’s an argument that was just about the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) flexing their muscles.
Logged

To view my GWML (Great Western Main Line) Electrification cab video 'before and after' video comparison, as well as other videos of the new layout at Reading and 'before and after' comparisons of the Cotswold Line Redoubling scheme, see: http://www.dailymotion.com/user/IndustryInsider/
ChrisB
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 12723


View Profile Email
« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2024, 16:41:02 »

If you were a TOC (Train Operating Company), why wouldn't you hand back your keys early? Is it really worth the paltry management fee when you can see the end anyway?
Logged
ChrisB
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 12723


View Profile Email
« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2024, 20:52:11 »

It'll also be interesting to see which/whose free priv passes survive this exercise - especially ones that are operator-specific (First, for example)
Logged
eightonedee
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 1635



View Profile
« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2024, 22:34:42 »

Quote
If you were a TOC (Train Operating Company)▸ , why wouldn't you hand back your keys early? Is it really worth the paltry management fee when you can see the end anyway?

Well, here's a few reasons why you might not -

1 - If these are fixed term contracts without a break clause for the TOC, so no legal right to do so, if they tried to "walk off the job" they would expose themselves to liability the remedy for which might be specified in the agreement, or which might be damages awarded by arbitration or the courts.

2 - The operators are part of larger public transport companies, who will still want to tender for new agreements throughout the world (or where they chose to bid). A previous instance of a group company walking away from its obligations will not improve its chances of winning new agreements

3 - A termination in breach may be an "event of default" under other contracts entitling the counter-party to them to terminate, or may breach group banking covenants, entitling a bank or financial backer to withdraw its support.
Logged
Electric train
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 4444


The future is 25000 Volts AC 750V DC has its place


View Profile
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2024, 06:25:15 »

If you were a TOC (Train Operating Company), why wouldn't you hand back your keys early? Is it really worth the paltry management fee when you can see the end anyway?

There will be no surprises at the TOC's on the Labour Government approach,  GBR (Great British Railways) have been in dialogue with Labour (and the Conservatives) over the last 6 months; GBR enabling team is made up across the industry.  Remember there will still be concession and management contracts to operate train services, Labour are not bring British Rail back.

It'll also be interesting to see which/whose free priv passes survive this exercise - especially ones that are operator-specific (First, for example)

Network Rail staff recently became able to have "priv rate" travel as part of last years pay deal, so "priv travel" is not dead, once the future rail industry structure is known I am sure the RDG(resolve) will have a staff priv travel arrangements, as for the operator specific ones will survive as routes / services specific ............. after all BR (British Rail(ways)) safe guarded travel is still around (I make use of it every day to get to work)
Logged

Starship just experienced what we call a rapid unscheduled disassembly, or a RUD, during ascent,”
TaplowGreen
Transport Scholar
Hero Member
******
Posts: 8198



View Profile
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2024, 07:24:21 »

Quote
If you were a TOC (Train Operating Company)▸ , why wouldn't you hand back your keys early? Is it really worth the paltry management fee when you can see the end anyway?

Well, here's a few reasons why you might not -

1 - If these are fixed term contracts without a break clause for the TOC, so no legal right to do so, if they tried to "walk off the job" they would expose themselves to liability the remedy for which might be specified in the agreement, or which might be damages awarded by arbitration or the courts.

2 - The operators are part of larger public transport companies, who will still want to tender for new agreements throughout the world (or where they chose to bid). A previous instance of a group company walking away from its obligations will not improve its chances of winning new agreements

3 - A termination in breach may be an "event of default" under other contracts entitling the counter-party to them to terminate, or may breach group banking covenants, entitling a bank or financial backer to withdraw its support.

Exactly these reasons, particularly number 2 - been in the position myself several times when working in R & M, where we were the incumbent but were unsuccessful in a reprocurement exercise - it's also (should be) a matter of corporate and individual pride and integrity to sustain the service to the end in these circumstances rather than handing back the keys and is generally taken into account by potential future clients/customers.

As for "priv rate" travel for rail staff, can't see why that should be stopped, but it should be taxed like many other similar employee benefits (if it isn't already).
« Last Edit: July 19, 2024, 08:38:20 by TaplowGreen » Logged
Do you have something you would like to add to this thread, or would you like to raise a new question at the Coffee Shop? Please [register] (it is free) if you have not done so before, or login (at the top of this page) if you already have an account - we would love to read what you have to say!

You can find out more about how this forum works [here] - that will link you to a copy of the forum agreement that you can read before you join, and tell you very much more about how we operate. We are an independent forum, provided and run by customers of Great Western Railway, for customers of Great Western Railway and we welcome railway professionals as members too, in either a personal or official capacity. Views expressed in posts are not necessarily the views of the operators of the forum.

As well as posting messages onto existing threads, and starting new subjects, members can communicate with each other through personal messages if they wish. And once members have made a certain number of posts, they will automatically be admitted to the "frequent posters club", where subjects not-for-public-domain are discussed; anything from the occasional rant to meetups we may be having ...

 
Pages: [1] 2
  Print  
 
Jump to:  

Powered by MySQL Powered by PHP Powered by SMF 1.1.2 | SMF © 2006-2007, Simple Machines LLC Valid XHTML 1.0! Valid CSS!
This forum is provided by customers of Great Western Railway (formerly First Great Western), and the views expressed are those of the individual posters concerned. Visit www.gwr.com for the official Great Western Railway website. Please contact the administrators of this site if you feel that the content provided by one of our posters contravenes our posting rules (email link to report). Forum hosted by Well House Consultants

Jump to top of pageJump to Forum Home Page