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« Reply #15 on: August 26, 2024, 11:41:05 » |
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In a recent job we had a trainee/apprentice who WAS taken to work by his mother ! and whom was not allowed to wash his overalls in the washing machine provided but had to to take them home for "mum to do them nicely"
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #16 on: August 26, 2024, 12:09:50 » |
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I recall with some embarrassment returning to school aged 17 in March 1963 accompanied by my father. We lived in Sidmouth then, and he normally drove to collect and deliver me at the end and beginning of term. But in one of the worst winters for years the roads were covered in snow. Quite how we drove to Honiton Station (up a long hill and down a steeper one) I don't know. (Seven years later I was driving my Mini Countryman going via the supposedly less-risky route via Ottery St Mary when it skidded on ice across the road, hitting a bank and toppling over.)
We got to Andover, where we had an 80-minute wait for the Marlborough connection in a poorly-lit and chilly waiting-room, where we were joined by unaccompanied school-mates. By the time we got on the Marlborough train it was dark, so I was unable to appreciate the route that I was to explore several times after its closure.
I would like to think that it wasn't so much a matter of my needing to be looked after, more how on my own I could handle a large trunk and smaller "brewbox" (as we termed tuck boxes). On arrival in Marlborough there was a mile-long walk to the college (I think that my luggage must have been collected later.)
And poor old dad then had to return to Sidmouth ...
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« Reply #17 on: August 26, 2024, 12:12:49 » |
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It's possible, I think, that some of the concerns that lay behind the Kirsty Allsop incident were to some degree generated by the recent tragic events on Tenerife.
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« Reply #18 on: August 26, 2024, 12:52:31 » |
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Sorry all that happened. Rather than a confrontational doorstep meeting, I'm surprised the standard procedure wasn't risk assessed and amended to have the initial contact by letter or phone call. Also, reading you your rights while you were running a professional workshop... er...
And for the rest... yes, the need for circumspection understood and from first person experience, if anyone meets with 'A situation' and finds they need someone to talk things through afterwards for their own benefit, one point of call is your GP who will be aware of various support resources - and sometimes an individual finds that just the act of asking for support is positive benefits them.
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« Reply #19 on: August 26, 2024, 12:55:31 » |
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In a recent job we had a trainee/apprentice who WAS taken to work by his mother ! and whom was not allowed to wash his overalls in the washing machine provided but had to to take them home for "mum to do them nicely"
Helicopter parents are a nightmare to an employer - I remember a call from one formidable lady who was doing her daughter an enormous disservice and another who didn't stay with us long when she called in to make herself unavailable at short notice because she had to help dad. And, yes, I have encountered some great parents of younger staff too. |
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« Reply #20 on: August 26, 2024, 13:02:42 » |
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Sorry all that happened. Rather than a confrontational doorstep meeting, I'm surprised the standard procedure wasn't risk assessed and amended to have the initial contact by letter or phone call. Also, reading you your rights while you were running a professional workshop... er...
Oh - I'm sure it was risk assessed, judging by the phone call she got a minute later from a colleague to check if she was OK. I suspect that they wanted to take me by surprise rather than provide an opportunity to hide - well, we had nothing to hide. "Come in - I'm sure there's been some sort of mistake here" and (to class) "you probably heard that. Please take a few minutes break while I sort this out". But, yes, I was shocked and put off my stride a little - not a lot because I have had an awful lot thrown unexpected at me over time. |
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« Reply #21 on: August 26, 2024, 15:05:48 » |
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My parents would have not let either of us on such a foreign trip at that age but were happy for us to set out on various Youth Hostelling adventures around England and Wales, usually getting there and back by public transport. Happy memories.
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« Reply #22 on: August 26, 2024, 15:23:23 » |
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It isn’t as straight forward as it first looked.
The lad has left school, but being an august baby hasn’t reached his birthday yet. Are august babies stopped from doing other things when they leave school like getting a job? Most employers require to be 16?
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« Reply #23 on: August 26, 2024, 15:23:47 » |
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In this particular cases, what were the arrangements for overnight accommodation ? Most budget hotels have a minimum age of 18, or at the most 16 for unaccompanied children.
Do youth hostels take younger persons than that, and do they have youth hostels in the places visited.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #24 on: August 26, 2024, 15:47:57 » |
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I don't think it's beyond the bounds of possibility that the Honourable Kirsty Allsopp (daughter of the 6th Baron Hindlip) and a prominent supporter of the Conservative party has been the victim of politically motivated mischief in terms of someone reporting her to Social Services?
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« Reply #25 on: August 26, 2024, 15:50:26 » |
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She has been taken to task by those in the Trans community for her views, for sure.
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« Reply #26 on: August 26, 2024, 16:03:08 » |
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She has been taken to task by those in the Trans community for her views, for sure.
..............and now those in the trains community are discussing her! |
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2024, 03:22:12 » |
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This poll concluded a few days ago - showing widely varied views amongst our members as to whether children under [16] should be allowed to travel (long distance) alone or with friends of their own generation.
I was in "Dad, may I ..." situation with both of my children at an age when it was clear that parental permission was required and there was not going to be an obvious answer. And in both clear first trip cases having listened to the request and the planning behind it, it was a "yes' though not without some natural worry. Both had known destinations and contacts there and had the initial trips been Interrailing without detailed / advanced plans and checks, the initial answer might have been more cautious.
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2024, 16:26:58 » |
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In a way my main reservation is the perceived need to go abroad at that age, with all the extra things that could go wrong and extra barriers such as language to contend with if they do, but even a UK▸ trip would have been difficult for this pair to make. The English Youth Hostel Association now has a policy that children under the age of 16 must be accompanied by a person who is 18 years or older. The tightening of rules came in rather frustratingly just as my son reached a level of maturity that I'd have been quite happy for him and friends of a similar age go unaccompanied on an overnight trip, and staying in a Youth Hostel was in my view the safest and most rewarding way of doing it but their age barred it.
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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2024, 17:48:15 » |
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The tightening of rules came in rather frustratingly just as my son reached a level of maturity that I'd have been quite happy for him and friends of a similar age go unaccompanied on an overnight trip, and staying in a Youth Hostel was in my view the safest and most rewarding way of doing it but their age barred it.
My Youth Hostelling started at 14 which I consider a valuable part of my childhood. They've taken the Youth out of Hostel! |
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