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« on: October 04, 2024, 14:13:07 »

Said five point plan includes Network Rail having the advertising board go dark while its impact is reviewed.

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https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/articles/euston-station-is-turning-off-the-mega-sized-advertising-boards-76065/
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« Reply #1 on: October 04, 2024, 15:17:42 »

This is very embarrassing for Network Rail to have the Transport Secretary order them to make changes to the elements of Euston that were clearly failing. The writing’s been on the advertising board for a long time that things needed to change. Euston, as a mainline terminus is not fit for purpose.

Not against advertising at stations, but removing the previous departure board and replacing with a huge advertising board was asking for trouble and an insult to passengers who had to endure in your face advertising whilst being crammed in like sardines at times of disruption.

Some point to the large advertising boards at Waterloo. Indeed there are, but Waterloo is a much bigger station and there’s still plenty of departure boards at various points of the station.

The replacement departure boards at Euston that replaced the main departure board are a joke.

Let’s hope Network Rail can implement this five point plan before GWR (Great Western Railway) and its passengers rock up starting on the 17th of November. I still have my doubts about GWR using Euston.
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« Reply #2 on: October 04, 2024, 15:43:32 »

This is very embarrassing for Network Rail to have the Transport Secretary order them to make changes to the elements of Euston that were clearly failing. The writing’s been on the advertising board for a long time that things needed to change. Euston, as a mainline terminus is not fit for purpose.

Not against advertising at stations, but removing the previous departure board and replacing with a huge advertising board was asking for trouble and an insult to passengers who had to endure in your face advertising whilst being crammed in like sardines at times of disruption.

Some point to the large advertising boards at Waterloo. Indeed there are, but Waterloo is a much bigger station and there’s still plenty of departure boards at various points of the station.

The replacement departure boards at Euston that replaced the main departure board are a joke.

Let’s hope Network Rail can implement this five point plan before GWR (Great Western Railway) and its passengers rock up starting on the 17th of November. I still have my doubts about GWR using Euston.

This is getting interesting now - Louise Haigh has said "for too long, Euston station simply hasn't been good enough for passengers".........will Hendy be writing to Keir Starmer demanding that she be sacked for criticising Network Rail?
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« Reply #3 on: October 04, 2024, 16:23:29 »

Bravo, but is she going to stop at Euston? And will she and NR» (Network Rail - home page)/Great Briish Rail) get the money over 10-15 to plan and implement the fixes needed?
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2024, 17:48:22 »

Data from NR» (Network Rail - home page) suggest that these boards may have helped the situation.
Heat maps of population density before and after suggest a reduction in crowding
https://www.mylondon.news/news/transport/controversial-euston-station-advertising-board-30072290
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« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2024, 10:23:52 »

If those are single snapshots, they will have been cherrypicked. The concourse will be a very dynamic environment over time. What NR» (Network Rail - home page) needed to do there is supply animations + maps aggregated to indicate a month's worth of passenger positions.

Also, those two images are puzzling, they state similar numbers of passengers on the concourse, but given the colour coding it's difficult to stir the first one up and imagine that it's the same number of people.

Also, it's surprising that the exact position of the new boards isn't more easily discernable.

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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2024, 08:09:50 »

There are a number of factors in my personal view that cause problems at Euston
  • Delays and cancellations to train services, this causes crowding problem at all London main stations but perhaps not as acute as Euston
    HS2 (The next High Speed line(s)) has reduced the size the capacity, number of entry and exits
    The new PIS (Passenger Information System) boards being in the centre of the concourse and their viewing and size angle not being as goo as the old large across above the platform barrier which in my mind was clearer to see.

Dealing with the cancellations and delays is the key one, the completion of HS2 station is the only way that the capacity of Euston can be improved or with limited benefit convert the old parcels deck to the main concourse, the main problem with this it remote from the Tube and busses, or a cheaper option is erect a temporary roof over and enclose the outside concourse area
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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2024, 08:33:04 »

Just been watching a report on BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) Breakfast with Simon Calder at Euston who confirmed that the screen has been switched off.
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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2024, 21:45:27 »

It was switched off the day they published that plan. Only for a 'review', mind.
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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2024, 20:02:16 »

According to the Telegraph, Network Rail are adamant that it won’t be displaying train departures when it’s switched back on. They may not have much choice.
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« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2024, 20:39:19 »

According to the Telegraph, Network Rail are adamant that it won’t be displaying train departures when it’s switched back on. They may not have much choice.
So how are passengers supposed to find out where there train is then?
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« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2024, 20:42:35 »

The current boards are still working
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« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2024, 06:44:23 »

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/euston-station-s-huge-advertising-board-switched-off-in-five-point-plan-for-improvement/ar-AA1rHv7b?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=87a2b4e64d8743cc8c0153df196568c7&ei=7

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) London reporting on Euston this morning, interviewing customers who are expressing concern about safety, overcrowding, late platform announcements and consequent stampedes etc
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« Reply #13 on: October 08, 2024, 07:28:33 »

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) London reporting on Euston this morning, interviewing customers who are expressing concern about safety, overcrowding, late platform announcements and consequent stampedes etc

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Network Rail has been forced to turned off a large advertising board at London’s Euston station as part of a five-point plan to improve the station. The review was ordered by Transport Secretary Louise Haigh.

Network Rail, which owns the station, has been criticised for converting the main concourse departure board into a large advertising screen, with smaller train information boards installed.

There's the question of "does the station have the capacity overall" and the question "are there pinch points in terms of time, place, and flow that need to be dealt with".    Changing times mean that I am *not* at Paddington anything like as often or as at busy times as I used to be,  but the use these days of multiple displays at each side of The Lawn, and repeaters on the bridge to the Hammersmith and City, have broken the crowd into a smaller chunks.   The late calling of trains there, with a resultant flow which I will describe as a rush but not quite a panic, has been a concern.   

Modern trains, with intensive utilisation, perhaps means that the railway operation is so slick it no longer gives the passengers sufficient time to get to them.   And a late, or quick, operational change can be fine by rail but cause chaos in the station.

The Saturday before last I was the passenger who joined the 15:32 Pilining that was said to be headed at the time for Penzance (not the only Pilning user; it dropped off too - another story) but as we approached Temple Meads, we were told that out train was to become the 16:00 to London, and that an alternative would be provided.  "But it will be just across the platform - we'll arrive at platform 13 and the onward train will be waiting at platform 15".   Good - but incorrect.  We pulled in to platform 8 I think it was - country end of different platform - and you could see the crowds lined up waiting for their London train on platform 13.   Big apologies from our train manager and I wondered what the scene was like in the subway and on the staircases as hundreds of passengers flowed each way; there was quite a load on the  Cardiff - Penzance, and the Bristol - London left a few minutes late and with the majority of seats taken - standing from Bath.
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« Reply #14 on: October 08, 2024, 12:34:55 »

Back to Euston where the Secretary for Transport said in a Radio5Live interview just after 0800 that Hs2 final destination will be confirmed shortly (around the time of the budget), so looking likely to go to Euston.

If it does, then the work around expanding Euston will likely continue & this problem may be alleviated as part of those works.
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