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« on: October 08, 2024, 20:48:10 »
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.6720363,5.0523774,3a,75y,264.92h,83.69t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sUuiu3NOQrddDgwvaIE5AyQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

Shows the N307 road in the Netherlands, where it is crossed by the Hoorn-Medemblik heritage line. This runs service once a day each way (twice in busier months).

The heritage line crosses another dual carriagway; it also has a large number of other level crossings, including one shared with NS trains.
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« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2024, 12:57:29 »
Imagine the fits of the vapours at the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) if a heritage line in the UK▸ (United Kingdom) proposed to cross a major road in a similar manner
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« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2024, 14:18:50 »
A heritage railway has recently done that. Getting approval from the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) and Highways England to build a level crossing across an A road.

The Rother Valley Railway has its Transport & Works Act Order to build its line from Robertsbridge station to join up with the Kent & East Sussex Railway to the west of Bodiam station. The route includes three new level crossings, including one across the A21 Robertsbridge bypass.

https://www.rvr.org.uk/

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/bodiam-to-robertsbridge-junction-order-transport-and-works-act-order
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« Reply #3 on: October 09, 2024, 17:07:03 »
Quote from: JayMac on October 09, 2024, 14:18:50
A heritage railway has recently done that. Getting approval from the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) and Highways England to build a level crossing across an A road.

The Rother Valley Railway has its Transport & Works Act Order to build its line from Robertsbridge station to join up with the Kent & East Sussex Railway to the west of Bodiam station. The route includes three new level crossings, including one across the A21 Robertsbridge bypass.

https://www.rvr.org.uk/

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/bodiam-to-robertsbridge-junction-order-transport-and-works-act-order

See to me the ORR should allow the level crossing in Portishead too then
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« Reply #4 on: October 09, 2024, 17:12:32 »
The Welsh Highland Railway leaves the Harbour station at Porthmadog, shared with the Ffestiniog, then shares the high street (A497) over the Pont Britannia before leaving the tarmac behind on the 25 mile journey to Caernarfon. A really worth while trip, I suspect permission was granted because of the recently built bypass of the town.
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« Reply #5 on: October 09, 2024, 17:45:41 »
Quote from: anthony215 on October 09, 2024, 17:07:03
Quote from: JayMac on October 09, 2024, 14:18:50
A heritage railway has recently done that. Getting approval from the ORR» (Office of Rail and Road formerly Office of Rail Regulation - about) and Highways England to build a level crossing across an A road.

The Rother Valley Railway has its Transport & Works Act Order to build its line from Robertsbridge station to join up with the Kent & East Sussex Railway to the west of Bodiam station. The route includes three new level crossings, including one across the A21 Robertsbridge bypass.

https://www.rvr.org.uk/

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/bodiam-to-robertsbridge-junction-order-transport-and-works-act-order

See to me the ORR should allow the level crossing in Portishead too then

It will all come down to a Risk Assessment, a heritage railway has a line speed of 25 mph, low frequency of rail traffic other factors will be is in a built up area with high level of pedestrians, the number of road vehicle; its quite an involved process 
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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2024, 23:21:57 »
My opening post was inspired by memories of this crossing of the A5 by the Oswestry-Gobowen route:
https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@52.8799055,-3.0396629,3a,75y,163.66h,66.38t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sorfHRxIvMQr_pJKui5iU6g!2e0!5s20240701T000000!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwNS4yIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D

I'm not sure if it would qualify as heritage these days as the rail route became the subject of an RYR▸ (Restoring Your Railway) application for a light rail service.
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« Reply #7 on: October 10, 2024, 02:22:03 »
Note also Cholsey to Wallingford - https://www.cholsey-wallingford-railway.com/signalling/

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The railway is one of only a few heritage lines in the country to cross a main road. The Cholsey & Wallingford Railway in preservation form pre-dates the road, and as part of the agreement to build the Wallingford By-Pass, it was agreed that Oxfordshire Highways would be responsible for all maintenance of the crossing through Oxfordshire County Council, who have a contract with Network Rail for all maintenance of the crossing.
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« Reply #8 on: October 10, 2024, 08:22:38 »
I was involved with that railway in the 1980s and it faced a very real threat from the building of the Wallingford bypass.  Already truncated at the town end, it was facing the prospect of being cut in two with neither half likely to be viable. 

After much negotiation agreement was reached and the crossing installed.  I am aware of at least two incidents at the location since - neither resulting in serious injury - but in the main it has worked well.
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