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« on: October 31, 2024, 11:09:22 » |
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Due to storm damage. News reports show numerous vehicles and piles of debris dumped on lines by floodwaters. Two tunnels have reportedly collapsed. The flood disaster has so far taken around 100 lives, and many are still missing. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckmgmdxg254t |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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ChrisB
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« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2024, 21:09:11 » |
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Check this out - the pictures coming from there are simply stunningly bad
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broadgage
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« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2024, 23:57:17 » |
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This is now reported as the worst ever flood in Spain, by either number of lives lost, or by the amount of property destroyed.
Death toll now 160+
It has been suggested that the UK▸ should send troops from the REME, together with Bailey bridges and other supplies.
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #3 on: November 01, 2024, 09:46:40 » |
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It has been suggested that the UK▸ should send troops from the REME, together with Bailey bridges and other supplies.
What was your source for the suggestions for British troops/heavy equipment? |
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broadgage
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« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2024, 10:30:39 » |
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It has been suggested that the UK▸ should send troops from the REME, together with Bailey bridges and other supplies.
What was your source for the suggestions for British troops/heavy equipment? An officer whom I met at a social event suggested that the idea was being actively considered. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2024, 19:49:26 » |
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The death toll in Spain has now risen to over 200: from the BBC» , see https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cgk1m7g73ydt That BBC item is date stamped 1 October, by the way, but I think that's just careless editing. |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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broadgage
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« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2024, 13:40:42 » |
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There is very considerable public dissatisfaction with the government response to this disaster, which is widely considered to be "too little and too late" The Spanish King was pelted with mud by an angry crowd when visiting the scene.
When a similar disaster occurs in the UK▸ , Would our authorities do any better ?
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2024, 13:54:31 » |
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I'm not sure that we would....the whole of Cumbria for example having a foot of water fall in rain over 36 hours would wash away a similar amount of housing & infrastructure including a city the size of Bristol.....getting that amount of replacement white goods to every house, while clearing the piles of wrecked vehicles & trees etc along with all the dead....? All at the same time (which is where the Spanish got it wrong)....no country is set up for that amount of recovery?
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Witham Bobby
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« Reply #8 on: November 04, 2024, 14:48:17 » |
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I'm not sure that we would....the whole of Cumbria for example having a foot of water fall in rain over 36 hours would wash away a similar amount of housing & infrastructure including a city the size of Bristol.....getting that amount of replacement white goods to every house, while clearing the piles of wrecked vehicles & trees etc along with all the dead....? All at the same time (which is where the Spanish got it wrong)....no country is set up for that amount of recovery?
I've read reports of around 30 "dams" (probably more like weirs and sluices, but I'm not sure) having been removed in more recent years from waterways in and above the afflicted area. If this is correct, it would seem to have been an unwise move. Huge rainfall totals in the mountains are not unknown. The last time something like this happened was within living memory |
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2024, 15:06:12 » |
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I'm not sure that we would....the whole of Cumbria for example having a foot of water fall in rain over 36 hours would wash away a similar amount of housing & infrastructure including a city the size of Bristol.....getting that amount of replacement white goods to every house, while clearing the piles of wrecked vehicles & trees etc along with all the dead....? All at the same time (which is where the Spanish got it wrong)....no country is set up for that amount of recovery?
I've read reports of around 30 "dams" (probably more like weirs and sluices, but I'm not sure) having been removed in more recent years from waterways in and above the afflicted area. If this is correct, it would seem to have been an unwise move. Huge rainfall totals in the mountains are not unknown. The last time something like this happened was within living memory In general, the upper reaches of streams and small rivers should have small dams and other obstructions to prevent heavy rain from rapidly running downhill. Introducing beavers is helpful as these creatures tend to build dams. In the absence of beavers, felling trees such that they fall across streams can help. The lower reaches of rivers should in most cases be dredged and obstructions removed in order that excess water may run into the sea without flooding land and property adjacent to the river. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2024, 19:47:34 » |
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Without wishing in any way to detract from those tragic events in Spain: we have experienced similar, very unexpected, flooding in England, within living memory. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynmouth_Flood  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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Chris from Nailsea
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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2024, 20:55:55 » |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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broadgage
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« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2024, 00:36:01 » |
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The Aberfan disaster was not really comparable to the Lynmouth flooding or the current disaster in Spain. The Aberfan disaster was man made, caused by siting a spoil heap unwisely, the other floods were natural disasters. I REMEMBER the Aberfan disaster, which makes me feel very old. |
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A proper intercity train has a minimum of 8 coaches, gangwayed throughout, with first at one end, and a full sized buffet car between first and standard.
It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU▸ is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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GBM
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« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2024, 06:47:08 » |
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Personal opinion only. Writings not representative of any union, collective, management or employer. (Think that absolves me...........)  |
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« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2024, 06:58:06 » |
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I REMEMBER the Aberfan disaster, which makes me feel very old.
Primary school collection of sixpence per week. |
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