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« Reply #15 on: November 29, 2024, 15:19:51 »

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Fraud....she obtained a more modern one from her employer while retaining the old one & not handing it back.

Not quite Chris - the new phone would have remained a work tool she was issued with for work by her employer. The issue is that there was the appearance that she might have been trying to retain for her own benefit the phone she reported as having been lost.

Being reported by the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) as having pleaded guilty to a fraud offence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o

I appreciate that media outlets do get reporting wrong, so show me another outlet that thinks she pleaded guilty to a different charge?

In the last couple of hours it's being suggested that "further information has come to light" and there appears to be some backpedalling on exactly what had been disclosed to Starmer by Haigh in respect of her conviction.........

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/no-10-says-haigh-resigned-after-further-information-emerged/ar-AA1uZ5Z1?ocid=socialshare
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« Reply #16 on: November 29, 2024, 15:30:55 »

Do we perhaps need to amend the thread title a bit...........
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« Reply #17 on: November 29, 2024, 17:15:38 »

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« Reply #18 on: November 29, 2024, 17:43:27 »

From the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page):

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Louise Haigh's swift resignation prompts questions



Politics, with a big majority government, will be much quieter, some said.

Not a bit of it.

Here we are on a Friday, traditionally the sleepiest of Westminster’s weekdays, and MPs (Member of Parliament) confront a potentially generational defining vote on assisted dying while the government confronts its first cabinet resignation.

The first cabinet resignation is a moment for any government and a rite of passage for any prime minister.

There is the first enforced shuffle of personnel at the top table for a start, a headache for Downing Street as they scour the subs bench for replacements, knowing that an appointment of an existing minister itself creates another vacancy.

Louise Haigh was already the first cabinet minister that Sir Keir Starmer publicly rebuked, over remarks about P&O Ferries last month.

Now we have the ritual exchange of letters and the ritual blizzard of further questions.

First, those letters, external and in particular the prime minister’s letter to Haigh, which is blunt in its brevity.

Prime ministers often manage to wax lyrical at considerable length in a letter marking a departure, however tortuous or headline-making the whole saga has been.

In this instance, news of the resignation came within 12 hours of the story first breaking, and yet the prime minister’s words appear perfunctory.

The general mood in the Labour Party and in government is one of slight bafflement.  Many were still getting their head around the revelations – which first appeared on Sky News and in The Times on Thursday evening - when they woke up this morning to the news that Haigh was gone.

Plenty believe the sequence of events described in Haigh’s account was too minor to necessitate her departure, in the absence of any further revelations, though some believe she made the right political decision to go quickly rather than allow the issue to drag on for days.

One senior Labour figure described it as a “good resignation” which may allow her to come back at a later date with a clean slate.

We are also told that Haigh had told Sir Keir about the specifics of this case when he first appointed her to the shadow cabinet in 2020.

It's understood she didn't tell the government’s propriety and ethics team about her fraud conviction when she joined the cabinet in July.

They asked her specifically about unspent convictions. Her offence was spent.  This typically means the conviction remains on the offender’s criminal record for life, but they don’t have to reveal it in a job application.

Haigh believed, we're told, that having disclosed what had happened to Sir Keir in opposition, this was sufficient.

It's also understood she was unaware of any investigation by her former employer, Aviva, involving more than one mobile phone, as reported by The Times.

Haigh’s team have not denied this, but have not been drawn on it either.

Aviva is not commenting on the saga.

At the very least, this would have been the subject of even more intense further questions if she was still in the cabinet this morning rather than being on the backbenches.

The prime minister’s awareness of at least some of this saga has itself been seized upon by the Conservatives, who claim it raises questions about his judgement in appointing someone with a criminal conviction.

This would be awkward in any instance, but is particularly so given Sir Keir as leader of the opposition during the Partygate rows insisted lawbreakers can't be lawmakers.  But he then appointed one to his cabinet, albeit someone with a conviction from before they were an MP.

We are told the Conservatives got wind of this story during the general election campaign and hoped to be able to reveal it, but their tip-off referred to a different magistrates court from the one Haigh appeared at, so they could not prove it via court records.

While Haigh spoke in her resignation letter of “our political project,” she and the prime minister were not always politically simpatico.  She was seen as one of the few remaining left-wing ministers in his cabinet.  In the years before the election she was frequently tipped - wrongly - for dismissal at shadow cabinet reshuffles.

Heidi Alexander, previously a junior justice minister, has been named as her successor.  Before returning to the Commons in July, she spent more than three years as London’s deputy mayor for transport under Sadiq Khan.

There is a bigger picture too for Sir Keir.  He is desperate to move on from a sticky perception by many of a bumpy start for his government.  And now this.

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« Reply #19 on: November 29, 2024, 17:51:44 »

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I appreciate that media outlets do get reporting wrong, so show me another outlet that thinks she pleaded guilty to a different charge?

Sorry Chris - I didn't make myself clear. Obtaining a new phone from Aviva is irrelevant. It's the retention of the previous phone, the one originally reported as stolen but then found and that also belonged to Aviva, that is the advantage it is alleged she was trying to achieve dishonestly. That's the fraud in question.
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2024, 19:38:08 »

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Fraud....she obtained a more modern one from her employer while retaining the old one & not handing it back.

Not quite Chris - the new phone would have remained a work tool she was issued with for work by her employer. The issue is that there was the appearance that she might have been trying to retain for her own benefit the phone she reported as having been lost.

Being reported by the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) as having pleaded guilty to a fraud offence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o

I appreciate that media outlets do get reporting wrong, so show me another outlet that thinks she pleaded guilty to a different charge?

It seems it was a fraud offence, and that she received a conditional discharge. There's only one sanction lower than that in criminal law - absolute discharge - so the court must have seen this as a minor matter. It also means that the conviction is "spent", and would have been at the end of the discharge period, so 2015 at the latest. Although such a conviction would not have to be disclosed to an employer, disclosure would still be required for a cabinet minister, I reckon, given the potential security considerations. Louise Haigh told Sir Keir about it 4 years ago, and if anyone in government knows the law, it's him. Fraud aside, she did nothing wrong legally here, nor morally, but has decided to duck out of the way to prevent the issue being a distraction. Hopefully, no railways will be harmed. The road is probably clear for her to return to front-line duties after a period of, well, what? Everybody else getting used to it, I suppose, and Miss Haigh walking the straight and narrow in public. It's still likely to follow her around in the way that Ozzy Osborne is never introduced to new audiences without the "bit the head off a bat" comment, or like Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson for Monty Python fans.

The BBC may not have covered itself with glory here. Bringing a spent conviction to the attention of an employer is not in the spirit of rehabilitation of offenders. The "prompts questions" headline is a little sordid, too.
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2024, 19:48:52 »

But who tipped off the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) I wonder? Inside job?
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2024, 20:10:32 »

But who tipped off the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) I wonder? Inside job?

There are some interesting theories going about. The words 'Heathrow', 'Runway' and 'Third' feature in some of them.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2024, 20:25:59 »

But who tipped off the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) I wonder? Inside job?

There are some interesting theories going about. The words 'Heathrow', 'Runway' and 'Third' feature in some of them.

Any evidence? Citations? Links? Or is it just internet tinfoil hattery?
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2024, 20:36:57 »

Just going to have to wait & see - if Labour announce that they will back a 3rd runway within 6 months you can be sure....
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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2024, 06:19:06 »

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Fraud....she obtained a more modern one from her employer while retaining the old one & not handing it back.

Not quite Chris - the new phone would have remained a work tool she was issued with for work by her employer. The issue is that there was the appearance that she might have been trying to retain for her own benefit the phone she reported as having been lost.

Being reported by the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) as having pleaded guilty to a fraud offence
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cdxy1kp73y9o

I appreciate that media outlets do get reporting wrong, so show me another outlet that thinks she pleaded guilty to a different charge?

It seems it was a fraud offence, and that she received a conditional discharge. There's only one sanction lower than that in criminal law - absolute discharge - so the court must have seen this as a minor matter. It also means that the conviction is "spent", and would have been at the end of the discharge period, so 2015 at the latest. Although such a conviction would not have to be disclosed to an employer, disclosure would still be required for a cabinet minister, I reckon, given the potential security considerations. Louise Haigh told Sir Keir about it 4 years ago, and if anyone in government knows the law, it's him. Fraud aside, she did nothing wrong legally here, nor morally, but has decided to duck out of the way to prevent the issue being a distraction. Hopefully, no railways will be harmed. The road is probably clear for her to return to front-line duties after a period of, well, what? Everybody else getting used to it, I suppose, and Miss Haigh walking the straight and narrow in public. It's still likely to follow her around in the way that Ozzy Osborne is never introduced to new audiences without the "bit the head off a bat" comment, or like Arthur "Two Sheds" Jackson for Monty Python fans.

The BBC may not have covered itself with glory here. Bringing a spent conviction to the attention of an employer is not in the spirit of rehabilitation of offenders. The "prompts questions" headline is a little sordid, too.


In point of fact it was SKY News and The Times who broke the story, other news agencies are obviously covering it too.

The Times (behind a paywall) have latterly revealed that Haigh carried on using the "lost" phone to call friends & relatives after "rediscovering" it, and this is most likely the additional information which has been referred to elsewhere.

The orchestration, perhaps predictably, appears to have come from within the Labour Party. Probably overall a useful means to get rid of one that on reflection Starmer wished he hadn't appointed.......Blair/Campbell were good at this too.

https://news.sky.com/story/louise-haighs-resignation-prompts-internal-labour-blame-game-13263058?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter&s=09

........oh what a tangled web we weave.......

.....Will be interesting to see progress on Heathrow's third runway though!   Smiley
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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2024, 11:11:31 »

A crisp thread on this very current affair from a lawyer here:

https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:52eftagrytzdoofw6eqbruy4/post/3lc4qn4bnyc2t

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« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2024, 08:01:30 »

Another point of view; an ally of Liz Grey has been removed. If that is the case who is running the Cabinet/Government Keir Starmer or Morgan McSweeney? And who could be next?
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« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2024, 21:42:18 »

Should ease the pain somewhat......

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2024/12/02/louise-haigh-receive-thousands-of-pounds-in-severance-pay/
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« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2024, 21:44:09 »

Another point of view; an ally of Liz Grey has been removed. If that is the case who is running the Cabinet/Government Keir Starmer or Morgan McSweeney? And who could be next?

I guess you mean Sue Gray?
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