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Author Topic: Dawlish Avoiding Line - ongoing discussion, merged topic  (Read 157335 times)
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« Reply #330 on: July 16, 2014, 16:14:29 »

As a lay person, after a read through the report, it gives me the impression of it favouring the C1 ((on coaches) National route restriction)-C5 routes. I think that the resilence factor is the emphasis of the report. These routes whilst more expensive intially give the opportunity to build the route to the modern standards rather than retrofit them to the other routes.This is not criticism, but I think that if reflects an underlying engineering viewpoint, which is not a bad thing.

I personally am thinking like the comments of Andyroden, in that it is up to the burghers of Okehampton, Tavistock et al to prompt the wider socio economic benefits to agrue for their route.This is as local service, other (occasional?) main line stops and as a diversionary route.

Finally if I was on a train to the south west and the Dawlish route was closed as in Feb, I don't think I would mind a few extra minutes in journey time.

Above assume that a significant funding committment remains in place for the Dawlish route and we are discussing additional funds.
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« Reply #331 on: July 16, 2014, 17:23:59 »

Eventually this line will be electrified, it is the future for all main lines as even cars become electric.

Surely therefore future electrification should be uppermost when considering the options for this route..?

Personally, I can't see huge waves of seawater and overhead electric wires working out well, but does anyone in the industry have a view as regards this?
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« Reply #332 on: October 17, 2014, 15:43:19 »

Up until now I have been convinced that any route alternative to the precarious sea wall at Dawlish would be no-go,  largely due to financial considerations. But it just might be the government is  having a change of heart!

http://www.railtechnologymagazine.com/Rail-News/government-may-review-report-into-alternative-routes-at-dawlish?utm_medium=email&utm_source=Rail+Technology+Magazine&utm_campaign=4870324_RTM+Newsletter+Oct+14+Week+3&dm_i=IJS%2C2WDYS%2C6VOQ13%2CAHIQ4%2C1#.VEEdh6LnHiY.twitter
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« Reply #333 on: October 18, 2014, 08:32:35 »

Please forgive the cynicism but I wonder if the impending General Election may have provoked this change of heart; why rule anything out and lose votes when you can promise to think about it and then, once (re-)elected, rule it out.
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« Reply #334 on: October 30, 2014, 11:50:18 »

Nothing new here but at least it's still making the news:

http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/New-Plymouth-rail-line-avoiding-Dawlish-flood/story-23779876-detail/story.html

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New Plymouth rail line avoiding Dawlish flood hotspot must be built, says transport minister
By Plymouth Herald  |  Posted: October 30, 2014


A NEW inland rail route away from the Plymouth region must be identified as a long-term solution to the Dawlish flooding problems, a senior Government minister has admitted.

Transport minister Patrick McLoughlin has been on a fact-finding tour of the Westcountry in the wake of last winter's storms.

The minister, speaking en-route from Newton Abbot to Paignton, said: ^We all have in our minds the images of Dawlish as it was being battered by last year^s storms.

^There have been some other complications at Dawlish, not least the cliff face slippage. We are looking at the resilience for the area.

^It is something that the Prime Minister is personally concerned about and he has asked to be regularly informed as to what is going on.^

Mr McLoughlin travelled by train from Exeter to Paignton to see the route at the centre of a Network Rail report into routes west of Exeter.

The Transport Secretary also travelled to Okehampton, identified as a potential inland route for services.

He said that all available options were still on the table with an announcement due at the Autumn statement in about six weeks^ time.

He said that the resilience of the coastal route was a priority but an additional inland route had to be identified in the long term.

Mr McLoughlin, who was invited to Torbay by Conservative candidate Kevin Foster, said: ^We accept that there needs to be an additional line and it would be best for Torbay if it was in the southern part of the county and not to replace the coastal route.^

Plymouth MPs (Member of Parliament) and others from South Devon are calling on the transport minister to prioritise the Dawlish coastal route.



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« Reply #335 on: October 30, 2014, 20:50:27 »

I notice Modern railways is reporting that the Western Route Study is saying that the line from Exeter to Newton Abbot will need to be four track by 2043. Clearly this is not going to be through Dawlish, but it gives added justification for another route.
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« Reply #336 on: November 01, 2014, 14:11:34 »

I notice Modern railways is reporting that the Western Route Study is saying that the line from Exeter to Newton Abbot will need to be four track by 2043. Clearly this is not going to be through Dawlish, but it gives added justification for another route.

That has my support.
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« Reply #337 on: November 01, 2014, 20:23:55 »

"Identified in the LONG term"

...2043....

Let's see what's in the Autumn Statement. Getting the feeling disappointment my be the result
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« Reply #338 on: November 01, 2014, 21:47:31 »

"Identified in the LONG term"

...2043....

Let's see what's in the Autumn Statement. Getting the feeling disappointment my be the result

He could promise support in principal subject to detailed studies, by the time these had been done and a transport and works order obtained 10 years would have passed before a future chancellor would have to put their hands in their pocket so far in the future as not to matter to a current chancellor with an election in six months! After all if "a week is a long time in politics" how long is a decade? A future chancellor could always cancel it because of new demand figures, increased costs or a lack of money - its been done before.
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« Reply #339 on: November 02, 2014, 07:23:06 »

I thought the autumn statement was to do with roads, certainly the A303 in the West Country,  and not anything to do with railways. But perhaps the Chancellor has something surprising up his sleeve?
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« Reply #340 on: November 02, 2014, 08:40:15 »

I thought the autumn statement was to do with roads, certainly the A303 in the West Country,  and not anything to do with railways. But perhaps the Chancellor has something surprising up his sleeve?

It covers all government expenditure so could include almost any sort of announcement.  Formerly it just used to give overall expenditure levels, the odd specific announcement on projects is a recent innovation. 
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« Reply #341 on: November 04, 2014, 14:36:54 »

Apologies for slightly digressing from the serious discussion, but it appears that FGW (First Great Western) has already decided on the new route, thus saving the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) much work. I found the attached map on the FGW website and it appears that the 'new' route not only avoids Dawlish altogether, but actually follows the Exmouth line before crossing the Exe estuary - presumably on a bridge, but maybe a tunnel :-)
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« Reply #342 on: November 04, 2014, 17:16:24 »

presumably on a bridge, but maybe a tunnel :-)

There are alternatives ...



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« Reply #343 on: November 04, 2014, 19:46:15 »

Ah the joys of a tide-less Med !  Cheesy
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« Reply #344 on: November 05, 2014, 21:51:08 »

presumably on a bridge, but maybe a tunnel :-)

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