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« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2009, 14:36:19 » |
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I went from Redhill to Tonbridge the other day. It was a Southern service and train but all staff in SOutheastern uniform. How does this work? Do they split the revenue? All stations were in Southern livery.
Southern and Southeastern franchises are both under the same company GoVia so they probably share resources at times. |
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« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2009, 17:02:54 » |
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Don't know if this has been mentioned, but you will still find ATW▸ drivers on the FGW▸ Cardiff-Pompeys.
Also ATW drivers on the FGW Cardiff-Tauntons. They hand over to a FGW driver at BTM▸ for the 1754, for example, and I try to overhear the generally caustic comments about various technical niggles the new driver will find on the onward journey! |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #17 on: January 11, 2009, 19:18:37 » |
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I'm probably being ultra-pedantic here, but I wonder how many of the services mentioned above are actually advertised as being jointly run by two TOCs▸ . The CDF» -PMH services are advertised in the timetable as 'GW▸ ', even though they are sometimes crewed by ATW▸ staff (does this still include conductors or is it just some drivers these days?). The Bristol - Oxford service was a bit different in that respect, since the operator code shown in the timetable was 'WT' to indicate a service jointly operated by FGW▸ and TT.
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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2009, 19:26:13 » |
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What did WT stand for? Western Thames?
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« Reply #19 on: January 11, 2009, 19:44:11 » |
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I don't think it really stood for anything. At the time (as now), FGW▸ services were denoted GW▸ and Thames services TT. It was just a combination of the two. Not all of the operator codes still in use today stand for anything in particular: NXEC▸ services are shown as 'GR', derived from GNER▸ but clearly not meant to be read as Great Railway (insert your own joke here!).
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« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2009, 22:52:01 » |
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I'm probably being ultra-pedantic here, but I wonder how many of the services mentioned above are actually advertised as being jointly run by two TOCs▸ . The CDF» -PMH services are advertised in the timetable as 'GW▸ ', even though they are sometimes crewed by ATW▸ staff (does this still include conductors or is it just some drivers these days?). The Bristol - Oxford service was a bit different in that respect, since the operator code shown in the timetable was 'WT' to indicate a service jointly operated by FGW▸ and TT.
I would suspect it's because although in the case of CDF-PMH it is partly crewed by ATW Staff revenue still goes to FGW and not FGW and ATW. FGW will pay ATW to use their staff. That's how I understand it anyway  |
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« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2009, 22:56:18 » |
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I don't think it really stood for anything. At the time (as now), FGW▸ services were denoted GW▸ and Thames services TT. It was just a combination of the two. Not all of the operator codes still in use today stand for anything in particular: NXEC▸ services are shown as 'GR', derived from GNER▸ but clearly not meant to be read as Great Railway (insert your own joke here!).
Great No Eating Railway from what I've heard has happened to the restaurant cars on NXEC.  |
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2009, 04:59:07 » |
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I'm probably being ultra-pedantic here, but I wonder how many of the services mentioned above are actually advertised as being jointly run by two TOCs▸ . The CDF» -PMH services are advertised in the timetable as 'GW▸ ', even though they are sometimes crewed by ATW▸ staff (does this still include conductors or is it just some drivers these days?).
Not sure, but GCR» depot have picked up some of this work, (on the Western section of the route), since the new timetable and I haven't seen any ATW conductors on the jobs. Still ATW drivers on some runs tho'. |
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2009, 11:46:45 » |
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GCR» Depot? I assumme Gloucester correct?
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2009, 14:08:00 » |
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Correct GCR» is Gloucester
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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2009, 17:31:15 » |
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I'm probably being ultra-pedantic here, but I wonder how many of the services mentioned above are actually advertised as being jointly run by two TOCs▸ .
I would suspect it's because although in the case of CDF» -PMH it is partly crewed by ATW▸ Staff revenue still goes to FGW▸ and not FGW and ATW. FGW will pay ATW to use their staff. That's how I understand it anyway This is a FGW service. The pay Arriva to provide staff but the service is FGW. |
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2009, 19:41:47 » |
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Correct GCR» is Gloucester
Thanks, Ollie! I've added it to our acronyms list, at http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/acronyms.html (or see link above).  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2009, 21:21:08 » |
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Are you going to add BNP▸ to the list as well, then?  |
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2009, 22:27:01 » |
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As you've mentioned it ... yes, I have!  |
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William Huskisson MP▸ was the first person to be killed by a train while crossing the tracks, in 1830. Many more have died in the same way since then. Don't take a chance: stop, look, listen.
"Level crossings are safe, unless they are used in an unsafe manner." Discuss.
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2009, 22:29:08 » |
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As you've mentioned it ... yes, I have! In regard to the acronyms list : BNS▸ in railway terms would actually be Barnes and BHM is Birmingham New Street |
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