FGW HSTs an improvement?

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[devon_metro]

Based on a discussionI was having, despite having talked in length on the forum before, I'd like to conduct a poll answering the aforementioned question, as this forum has a wider audience than the forum I was discussing on.

Feel free to justfy.

I don't seem to be able to add a poll, could a mod add one with the options "yes" and "no". Thanks

[Chris from Nailsea]

Sorry, devon_metro, but you certainly should be able to add a poll: at the foot of the screen, in the right hand corner - and you select your options?

If it's still a problem, please let me know, and I'll be happy to post it for you, if necessary.

Chris 

[devon_metro]

Sorry, devon_metro, but you certainly should be able to add a poll: at the foot of the screen, in the right hand corner - and you select your options?

If it's still a problem, please let me know, and I'll be happy to post it for you, if necessary.

Chris 

Not seeing it, could posting from a mobile device be a contributing factor?

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

Sorry, devon_metro, but you certainly should be able to add a poll: at the foot of the screen, in the right hand corner - and you select your options?

If it's still a problem, please let me know, and I'll be happy to post it for you, if necessary.

Chris 

Not seeing it, could posting from a mobile device be a contributing factor?

unless g and the team have set up a dedicated mobile with less options i doubt it, however im glad you brought up the hst's again because i have been thinking long and hard about these and tbh i really dont know, on the plus they look better there clean more seats but negative the seats are not as comfortable, loss of proper buffet hardly an tables, i dont know maybee i am getting nostalgic the reality is that there fit for purpose there are no more units available it costs too much to have rolling stock with big comfortable seats with decent catering they have to find a balance with cramming people on and getting them a seat providing minimal refreshments, improving safety  (the seats are safer in a crash then the old ones) and acceleration (length of train) and a comfortable ride aswell as keeping costs down

so in that respect there better, but i miss the old days  god im only 24

[inspector_blakey]

Poll added!

And for my 2 cents' worth, yes they are an improvement. OK there are fewer tables-for-four but the airline seating is vastly superior to the old HST^▸ (High Speed Train) airline seating and I've never been that fond of staring a stranger in the face for the duration of a journey anyway. Ample legroom, comfortable seat, well-designed table. The majority of comments you here from other passengers travelling on them are generally positive as well. Just for a bonus, the new livery looks great too.

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

Poll added!

And for my 2 cents' worth, yes they are an improvement. OK there are fewer tables-for-four but the airline seating is vastly superior to the old HST^▸ (High Speed Train) airline seating and I've never been that fond of staring a stranger in the face for the duration of a journey anyway. Ample legroom, comfortable seat, well-designed table. The majority of comments you here from other passengers travelling on them are generally positive as well. Just for a bonus, the new livery looks great too.

thats a good point, actually lets face it the paddington services dont carry as many familys and groups as the xc sets, and thats my main issue with the pacers when you have has a bad day it feels like everyone is in your face

[Steve44]

I think so, yes.

Not too keen on the lighting, sometimes hard to look out the window but other than that i do think so.  I also noted the other day whilst sat at Ealing broadway waiting for my train that they're not half as loud as they used to be when they whizz through a station!

[Btline]

Tut tut, what will TJ think with only the choice of yes and no!

I was split, partly due to the height of the seat backs - which are not a safety requirement as XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise))/NXEC^▸ (National Express East Coast) have proved. It has restricted the view out of the windows.

[devon_metro]

Tut tut, what will TJ think with only the choice of yes and no!

I was split, partly due to the height of the seat backs - which are not a safety requirement as XC^▸ (Cross Country Trains (franchise))/NXEC^▸ (National Express East Coast) have proved. It has restricted the view out of the windows.

The reason for that is because I wanted a conclusive answer not people sitting on the fence. TJ may abstain if it bothers him so much.

[Btline]

The reason for that is because I wanted a conclusive answer not people sitting on the fence. TJ may abstain if it bothers him so much.

As do we all...

Ditto here.

[tramway]

That is an extremely subjective question, and as very irregular user of the HST^▸ (High Speed Train)^s there are a number of factors that have to be taken into consideration, especially as the timetable and passenger profile in the late 70^s between Bath and Paddington (when I last used the route regularly) and today are markedly different.

Technically the life extension is undoubtedly a success, and will see the stock carry on for many more years, but the colour scheme could have been a bit better, not a patch on the ^Barbie^ effort. Great Western and not a hint of green.

But if I were to compare my journey experience today with that of 30 years ago then things have gone down hill, gone are the fast trips into London and the infrastructure has been neglected for far to long and the journey experience from here is poorer for it. You can^t even smoke in the buffet anymore.

I don^t doubt that those who live closer to London have benefited enormously with the new internal layout, but quite a few haven^t, and if I^m honest I^d much prefer the 158^s as at least you can see out of the windows, although if your are traveling from Slough I suspect it is a blessing.

Oh and the lighting isn^t very good either, comparable with the naked tubes on the last 150 makeover.

[devon_metro]

Poll added!

And for my 2 cents' worth, yes they are an improvement. OK there are fewer tables-for-four but the airline seating is vastly superior to the old HST^▸ (High Speed Train) airline seating and I've never been that fond of staring a stranger in the face for the duration of a journey anyway. Ample legroom, comfortable seat, well-designed table. The majority of comments you here from other passengers travelling on them are generally positive as well. Just for a bonus, the new livery looks great too.

Thanks for adding that poll, i've just noticed where it is!! Normally poll options are inside the new topic option  

My personal view, they are an improvement and i'm glad that the poll results suspect what I was discussing. (The original topic of discussion being the announcement of the (rather lacking) planned refurbishment of the EMT^» (East Midlands Trains - about) sets)

[TerminalJunkie]

The reason for that is because I wanted a conclusive answer not people sitting on the fence. TJ may abstain if it bothers him so much.

From now on, if I encounter a poll where the pollster doesn't give me an option to vote 'Don't Know' or 'Don't Care' in those cases where it's appropriate, I've decided to try and vote in such a way that will most annoy the person setting the poll. In those rare cases where I'm not sure what will be the most annoying I'll toss a coin or throw a die before voting.
So from now you won't get a 'conclusive' answer, you'll one where you can't actually rely on the results being accurate...

[devon_metro]

How childish of you...

[6 OF 2 redundant adjunct of unimatrix 01]

How childish of you...

i agree, if you dont care about polls then just ignore them! maybee you dislike them because it shows that not everyone thinks the same way as you do?