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Author Topic: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion  (Read 726569 times)
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« Reply #330 on: November 22, 2010, 10:11:53 am »

HSTs may have not been designed as commuter trains, but that's how they've turned out in certain areas.. obviously across the FGW network too when used at peak times.

To be fair, they do a pretty good job of providing extra seats and capacity during rush hour.
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« Reply #331 on: November 22, 2010, 10:46:01 am »

Would imagine some sort of re-engineering/refurbishment would still be needed in the mean time to keep them going reliably for another 10years plus.Life extension of HSTs was one option being considererd along with IEP. When Brush fitted new MTU engines and Cooler groups to FGW HST power cars they merely addressed the HSTs main weakness from new,the Valenta engine and its tendency to overheat because of an under-specified cooler group.East Coast HST power cars had a more extensive overhaul at Brush with a much bigger radiator and new control electronics fitted at the same time as new MTU engines as they were expected to stay in service longer than FGWs power cars.Perhaps someone with more technical knowledge could enlighten me on this one.
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« Reply #332 on: November 22, 2010, 11:30:00 pm »

Have it on fairly good authority that the announcement will now be tomorrow - Tuesday. Sorry, can't disclose source.
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« Reply #333 on: November 22, 2010, 11:48:22 pm »

From the Parliament website:

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The House will sit in Westminster Hall between 9.30am-2.00pm

Westminster Hall Private Members^ Debates:

09.30-11.00 ^ High Speed 2 rail programme ^ Steve Baker

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« Reply #334 on: November 23, 2010, 10:15:52 am »

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The House will sit in Westminster Hall between 9.30am-2.00pm

Westminster Hall Private Members^ Debates:

09.30-11.00 ^ High Speed 2 rail programme ^ Steve Baker


That's a Chilterns Tory mp whingeing about high-speed rail.

Source now tells me Mr Hammond will be opening his mouth on Thursday... so some time this week at least looks a safe bet. An 11.30am announcement on Thursday (that day's slot for ministerial statements in the Commons) would fit in nicely with the afternoon Westminster Hall debate on transport and the spending review.
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« Reply #335 on: November 23, 2010, 10:32:35 am »

Rail was featured on 'File on 4' BBC Radio 4 programme over the weekend - you might find it again on iplayer. Thursday would fit in with Stephen Hammonds comments on that programme.
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« Reply #336 on: November 23, 2010, 11:21:18 am »

Rail was featured on 'File on 4' BBC Radio 4 programme over the weekend - you might find it again on iplayer. Thursday would fit in with Stephen Hammonds comments on that programme.

See:

http://www.firstgreatwestern.info/coffeeshop/index.php?topic=8001.msg80309#msg80309
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« Reply #337 on: November 23, 2010, 02:08:29 pm »

An article in today's Bristol Evening Post supports Thursday as the expected announcement date and suggests a "larger scale project" is being looked at...

PRIME Minister David Cameron has fuelled speculation over the future of electrification of the rail link between Bristol and London by revealing he is looking at a "larger scale project".

The Government will make an announcement on Thursday about the ^1 billion scheme to upgrade the Great Western Line and the new InterCity trains planned to run on it. The two are interlinked and both have been in doubt.

But Mr Cameron hinted that the plans may be wrapped up in an even bigger project.

He told the Evening Post: "On the issue of electrification, we are looking at this extremely closely. There's got to be a good business, economic and environment case.
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"You can't sign off projects unless you have that case but we are actually looking at 'can we solve this problem by making it bigger?' ^ can we look at a larger scale project or a different project that can help to deliver a good business case ^ so we are working very hard to try to make that happen."

Full story on This Is Bristol

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« Reply #338 on: November 24, 2010, 11:35:29 am »

Hmmm. may be worth keeping an eye on this. The Transport Select Committee are having Philip Hammond appear before them today to discuss the Comprehensive Spending Review.

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Subject: Transport and the outcome of the Comprehensive Spending Review
Witness(es): Rt Hon Philip Hammond MP, Secretary of State, Department for Transport
Location: Committee Room 8, Palace of Westminster

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« Reply #339 on: November 24, 2010, 11:59:30 am »

The idea of making it part of  a bigger package?

Could we actually be talking about a steady rolling programme of electrification (funded by the franchisees in return for longer franchises)?
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« Reply #340 on: November 24, 2010, 05:10:35 pm »

I listened in to a bit of the committee meeting today. Nothing to write home about, but the minister did confirm there would be an announcement on rolling stock etc. When pressed, the minster said he couldn't breech parliamentary protocol and say when but it would be "very, very, soon"...

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« Reply #341 on: November 24, 2010, 06:09:37 pm »

A humorous aside from the Fact Compiler over at the Railway Eye blog, offering odds on the likely runners for forthcoming rail expenditure, to be announced tommorow (25/11/2010).

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Cockney Link - 4/7 (Fav)
Western Voltage - 3-1 (may be pulled up short)
Juniper's Revenge 5-1
Northern Capacity 100-1 (outsider)
HLOS Commitment 75-1
Kipling's Folly 3-1
Tutu X 3-1
Permatan Fleet 34-1
Sheffield Juice - Scratched

3-1 are good odds for 'Western Voltage'. Worth a punt?  Wink Tongue Grin
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« Reply #342 on: November 24, 2010, 08:05:20 pm »

In the Times this morning, it stated that Hammond was to make an announcement to the Stock Exchange about Rolling stock - if that's tomorrow, release will be at 0730.
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« Reply #343 on: November 24, 2010, 08:13:45 pm »

In the Times this morning, it stated that Hammond was to make an announcement to the Stock Exchange about Rolling stock - if that's tomorrow, release will be at 0730.


Confirmed by Captain Deltic on Twitter - he says announcement at 7.00am with comments from CD on the radio (radio 4?)
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« Reply #344 on: November 24, 2010, 10:15:08 pm »

Northern Capacity 100/1?

That was a winner in the October CSR stakes... 

Someone isn't keeping up with the announcements...

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