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Author Topic: Great Western Main Line electrification - ongoing discussion  (Read 1046905 times)
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« Reply #345 on: November 24, 2010, 22:37:45 »

All systems go for tomorrow morning, with transport ministers out and about in FGW (First Great Western)-land.
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« Reply #346 on: November 24, 2010, 22:42:52 »

A humorous aside from the Fact Compiler over at the Railway Eye blog, offering odds on the likely runners for forthcoming rail expenditure, to be announced tommorow (25/11/2010).

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Runners and riders
Cockney Link - 4/7 (Fav)
Western Voltage - 3-1 (may be pulled up short)
Juniper's Revenge 5-1
Northern Capacity 100-1 (outsider)
HLOS (High Level Output Specification) Commitment 75-1
Kipling's Folly 3-1
Tutu X 3-1
Permatan Fleet 34-1
Sheffield Juice - Scratched

3-1 are good odds for 'Western Voltage'. Worth a punt?  Wink Tongue Grin
Staying with the fine traditions of the GWR (Great Western Railway) with its 7' gauge diesel hydraulics my guess is it will be 3000 volts 16 2/3 Hz
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« Reply #347 on: November 24, 2010, 23:12:30 »

All systems go for tomorrow morning, with transport ministers out and about in FGW (First Great Western)-land.

Thanks, willc  Wink
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« Reply #348 on: November 25, 2010, 00:20:31 »

All systems go for tomorrow morning, with transport ministers out and about in FGW (First Great Western)-land.

Leccyfication it is then...
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« Reply #349 on: November 25, 2010, 07:33:33 »

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) reporting that electrification of Grest Western is still on hold. Are we expecting another announcement later?

It is buying about 2,000 new carriages to tackle overcrowding, electrifying some lines and pressing ahead with the Thameslink programme.

But plans to modernise the London-Swansea line are still on hold and it will be the end of the decade before the investment is complete.

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Some 400 of them are for Crossrail (the new line being built east-west across London), 800 for Thameslink (the north-south link across London) and 650 will be given to different franchises around the country.

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« Reply #350 on: November 25, 2010, 07:58:42 »

From Rail News:

http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/general/2010/11/25-major-railway-investment-gets-green.html

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THE government has confirmed this morning that it's going ahead with new rolling stock orders and electrification worth ^8 billion, including 2,100 new vehicles for Thameslink, Crossrail and other operators.

The transport secretary Philip Hammond is authorising 1,200 vehicles for Thameslink and the infrastructure upgrade of their route across central London, at a cost of ^6 billion.

He has also confirmed the already-announced electrification of the 'north west triangle', and electrification of the Great Western Main Line between London and Oxford and Newbury. This route had already been set to be electrified as far as Maidenhead as part of the Crossrail programme.


That bit in bold (not yet mentioned by the BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page)) fits in well with the proposed use of Thameslink cascaded 319s on the GW (Great Western).  Having OK'd Thameslinks full rolling stock order, Oxford and Newbury logically follow on to use the existing stock, even if Bristol and Swansea still require an IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) decision.
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« Reply #351 on: November 25, 2010, 08:11:42 »

And the DfT» (Department for Transport - about) statement to the stock exchange:

http://www.londonstockexchange.com/exchange/news/market-news/market-news-detail.html?announcementId=10722933
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...The Thameslink programme will require a fleet of around 1,200 new
electric vehicles. The Department is currently considering bids from two
consortia led by Siemens PLC and Bombardier Transportation UK (United Kingdom) Ltd.  The
Department intends to make an announcement regarding the preferred
bidder in spring 2011. Existing electric trains from Thameslink will be
able to be deployed elsewhere on the rail network and therefore the
lines between London and Didcot, Newbury and Oxford as well as between
Liverpool, Manchester, Preston and Blackpool will be electrified.


On 6 July 2010, the Department published Sir Andrew Foster's review of
the Intercity Express Programme (IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.)). The Department has evaluated
possible alternatives to the original IEP proposal and has narrowed the
consideration to two leading options; a revised bid from Agility Trains,
and an alternative for a fleet of all electric trains  which could be
coupled to new diesel locomotives where the overhead electric wires end.

The Government will continue to assess the two remaining alternatives,
alongside a consideration of the extent of electrification on the Great
Western route, and will make a further statement in the New Year...
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« Reply #352 on: November 25, 2010, 08:12:48 »

BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) reporting that electrification of Grest Western is still on hold. Are we expecting another announcement later?
Speaking on BBC Breakfast News this morning Philip Hammond said there should be an announcement in the next few weeks (meaning New Year) regards IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) and Electrification of the GWML (Great Western Main Line). They are still finallising financial, legal and technical issues of the project.
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« Reply #353 on: November 25, 2010, 08:23:31 »

http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/general/2010/11/25-major-railway-investment-gets-green.html

Electrification from Paddington to Oxford and Newbury confirmed.
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« Reply #354 on: November 25, 2010, 09:49:20 »

http://www.railnews.co.uk/news/general/2010/11/25-major-railway-investment-gets-green.html

Electrification from Paddington to Oxford and Newbury confirmed.

I posted this earlier...

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« Reply #355 on: November 25, 2010, 11:19:53 »

More reports here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-11834531
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It has space for cycles, surfboards,luggage etc.
A 5 car DMU (Diesel Multiple Unit) is not a proper inter-city train. The 5+5 and 9 car DMUs are almost as bad.
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« Reply #356 on: November 25, 2010, 11:26:01 »

 Dft press release
http://www.dft.gov.uk/press/speechesstatements/statements/hammond20101125
 
HSTs (High Speed Train) to be replaced by bi-mode IEP (Intercity Express Program / Project.) or diesel haulage of electric stock beyond the wires.

Final decision on IEP, and on further Great Western electrification, in the New Year
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« Reply #357 on: November 25, 2010, 11:32:36 »

In the circumstances a good decision I think especially if some of the cascaded Thames Turbos DMUs (Diesel Multiple Unit) stay within the FGW (First Great Western) area*

Electrification is and always was about rolling stock and to let the old Thameslink stock go unused would be a crime.

* is it true that they have a slightly wider loading gauge which would make them more suitable for ex-GWR (Great Western Railway) lines than elsewhere? 
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« Reply #358 on: November 25, 2010, 11:42:26 »

* is it true that they [Turbos] have a slightly wider loading gauge which would make them more suitable for ex-GWR (Great Western Railway) lines than elsewhere? 

Yes, but all the appropriate NR» (Network Rail - home page) route plans and RUSs (Route Utilisation Strategy) include an item to undertake the necessary gauge clearance to allow them to run if they were to become available, eg Portsmouth - Cardiff.

A bit chicken and egg, until a decision is made, similar to platform lengthening in the SWT (South West Trains) area for 10 car trains...

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« Reply #359 on: November 25, 2010, 11:51:12 »


The BBC» (British Broadcasting Corporation - home page) have a link to the expected rants from South Wales, but both the main site and 'BBC Wales' stories conveniently fail to mention the GW (Great Western) wiring to Oxford, Didcot and Newbury, but do emphasise that Crossrail and Thameslink will happen.

I guess they don't see the bigger picture, which is that wires to Didcot being confirmed also makes it more likely that an extension will occur than before?

What percentage of the necessary route mileage does Didcot provide?

All told I find the BBC's written reports persistently negative on this announcement, but IMHO (in my humble opinion) I expect that when the details are teased out out over the next few weeks we might just find there is a lot more confirmed than anyone ever expected back in May...

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